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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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before July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that a flying death has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the RA and would change the game

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is painted black with your host

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Jimmy church on the game-changer radio

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network and a GRA

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with jimmy touch only game change in

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alright alright alright good evening

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fade to black

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this spoke radio for the masses yeah man

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today's Wednesday August 30 of 241 days

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into the new year just 124 days left we

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are live from a bunker somewhere in

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game-changer network that k GRA the

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planets that marrows to be Church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing it

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is Wednesday yeah

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tonight we have very special guests with

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us fellow fade or not and author Ray

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Davis is here now this is being billed

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as an evening of anunnaki can you think

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of anything better I think not

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man what a week we've had on the show

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Jay Widener J Dyer last night clifford

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mahooty tonight ray Davis and you know

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we get to spread the knowledge and I get

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to sit here and host this stuff man I

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posted last night somebody pinch me

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right yes somebody please pinch me

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ah absolutely good times going on good

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times good times

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okay now a couple of things so let's

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just get some stuff out of the way

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because I've got to do some chatting

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here about some other stuff but no see

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what's going on here what's going on

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yeah okay that can be ignored okay now

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let's just get some stuff out of the way

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so we can just move forward as quickly

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as possible you can follow me on Twitter

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right now at JT Radio that's what you

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want to do as quickly as you can

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a gh radio that's sandbox is hashtag f2b

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sandbox or one of our chat rooms

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the chat room and Spreaker or hang out

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you get autographed hats t-shirts you

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want me to autograph your t-shirt I will

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but you just got to put it in the email

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okay but all of the hats are autographed

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the fade to black hats which are

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embroidered top shelf really really nice

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asked asked anybody who has got one very

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cool hats they are not for sale they're

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not for sale we just came from the

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disclosure Eclipse of disclosure

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conference no hats for sale got t-shirts

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for sale no hats man I have so many

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people come hey man okay so what's up

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with the hats man can I get a hat nope

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and that's that's it there's a line in

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the sand fader knots game-changers the

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exclusivity of those hats is I just that

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makes me feel so good if I see one of

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those fade to black hats running around

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that is a real fade or not so think

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about that okay so you can get all of

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that in our membership area all of our

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website still prepping the art they just

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look amazing so they'll be up tomorrow

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but sacred skulls all of our sponsors

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put this show on its with our really

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got a really cool email from new Pharma

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today I'm not gonna read it on the air

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it's one of those personal things but

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somebody that you know it's big having

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issues for seven or eight years and

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serious things and I gots to say - to

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read this email it just made me feel so

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good I mean just an absolutely amazing

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email so go visit new Pharma new Pharma

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its GNU far Montcalm promo code there is

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and you're gonna get a full 33% you get

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the dealer cost on their stuff so there

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you go and and life change T started it

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again today I'm on the fresh cycle of

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life change t email the other day for

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one of the Vator Dodds it was great okay

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Jimmy so I've done the studio time

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speakers the life change T the life

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change T is amazing everything that you

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do and today I'm getting the fade to

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black blend and you know I used to posed

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pictures because I get them every day of

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you fader knots out there with a table

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full of our sponsors right and taking a

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picture of and sending it in go and see

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dude you know this is what's up so thank

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you for that okay this is a family all

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right so let's get this show crackin

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today happy birthday to comedian Lewis

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I love Louis I love Louis man if anybody

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knows how to offend it through comedy

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and and have it make sense it's Lewis

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there period on this day in history oh t

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D 1963 the United States and the Soviet

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Union and their hotline goes into

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operation they signed a little note of

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cooperation and it took two months but

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today in 1963 that hotline went live and

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the first phone call

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hello Demetri alright if you don't get

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the joke if you haven't seen the movie

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but truly one of the great scenes ever

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ever in in cinema hello Demetri Kent

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Kent can you turn the radio down the

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music is a little loud fader fact people

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from Ohio curse the most as composed as

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compared to every other compose as

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compared to every other state in the

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Union Ohio curses the most and a lot of

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Ohio State LeBron James I had to I had

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to the Cincinnati Reds

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I had to the Bengals I had to I had to

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love Ohio but they have a you know what

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though you drive around Ohio you go to

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different cities in Ohio and this is one

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of the cool things my parents lived

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there for a long time right outside of

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Columbus and Gahanna and and you go to

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this I've been all over Ohio so many

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times and you drive around I am serious

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about this probably more restaurants per

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capita in Ohio than anywhere in the

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country I mean just cool restaurant

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after restaurant after restaurant after

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restaurant in every single City Ohio

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they love to swear at them as well okay

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okay all right all right this is what

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we're gonna do now here we go

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all right I want to remind everybody

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tonight ray Davis is here we're gonna do

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the Annunaki tonight and it's a show

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that you know I prepped sometimes for

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shows right I'll prep for the guests in

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and do a little studying not when it

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comes to the Annunaki I'm ready I got my

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I've just got my knowledge on tonight

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I am pen and paper are out I will pick

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something pick something out of every

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conversation tonight it is gonna go down

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hello Demetri that's right that's coming

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in from Jason you get it okay all right

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so you want to post that and I'm seeing

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it in Twitter I'm seeing it what movie

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is that from what movie is that from the

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first person to post what movie that is

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from I'll send you a book I'll send you

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a book I'll send you something

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autographed okay we'll see how long that

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takes to pop up okay all right today

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where's my River Moon Strangelove IPD

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IPD was first he beat out Jason who did

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the quote Jason you lost half by 20

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seconds all three of you are good all

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three of you are good I got to give it

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to IPD you know what yeah yeah I asked

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Otte Richard yeah that is pretty weird

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Scott really you're 10 1062 that's like

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David Lee Roth right that's that's

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pretty trippy Ohio Michigan and Indy

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yeah that's pretty

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that's that's pretty bleeping trippy

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right there all right Bob Jason III PD

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Olivia came in strong too all right I'll

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send I'll send all of you books but I

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need email from all of you to meet Jimmy

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Trudeau I'll make sure I have your

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addresses all right I'll send all of you

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guys books it's really cool that you

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guys know that all right okay now these

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are these are truly exciting times that

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we are in right now in our UFO community

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can I at least get a pamphlet or

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something these are exciting times right

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now we have the Nazca mummies all of

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them we have the Malibu base we have the

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sightings that have been going on

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we have orbs everywhere now that I have

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real orb with my own two eyes and not

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through a photograph or a camera or some

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digital both my eyeballs you know we

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have Cory good we have Antarctica

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we have exoplanets politicians Tom

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DeLonge you know right now day-to-day

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the movie I'm acknowledged coming out

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right we have all of this going on and

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and then on top of all of that we've got

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all of the infighting going on with

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different elements of our community

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which means to me these are great times

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these are exciting never before the

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history of ufology or us or the human

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race has it been this cool and right now

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we get to witness all of it think about

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this for a second a few years from now a

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few years from now you'll be able to say

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hey I was there I was listening to fade

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to black every single night and dude it

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was on we had this going onto this and

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this and this and this research and this

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and this sighting in this video and

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there's this books in that it was all

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happening it was an amazing you will

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remember this forever because we are

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able to look back into the annals of

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history and look at ufology and see some

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other pretty amazing moments from the

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past and think about this for a second

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if you go back let's we can kind of

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start with you know things that pop into

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my mind Betty and Barney Hill big story

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big situation movie and you know think

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about that right big big moment in

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history

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Betty Ann Driessen the IND recent affair

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rocked the UFO community Travis Walton

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right think about this for a second

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moments in in ethology in the past that

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that were huge and our witness to this

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to this day but that wasn't even the big

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stuff because then Bob Lazar broke out

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with his story

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bringing area51 into our homes worldwide

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big stuff for sure area 51

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rumored right area51 sort of talked

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about base out there in the desert crazy

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stuff secret airplanes but what I'm

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supposed to exist Bob Lazar comes out

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now you've got people camping out on the

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hilltops and looking in an area 51 and

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the sightings and and the rest is

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history

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right big stuff to be sure and then

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mj-12 think about this mj-12 comes along

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the documents Stanton Friedman and and

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and William Bill Moore Jamie shandur a

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right think about Richard Doty and all

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these cats Linda Moulton Howe on the

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fringe of that you know and and and

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everything that was going on there again

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huge stuff and then Rendlesham big

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events Rendlesham huge event in

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mythology right potentially even bigger

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still than that mj-12 or maybe even Bob

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Lazar Travis Walton or their Betty and

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Barney Hill these were moments in our

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history and and I can go back going back

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to Betty and Barney Hill or and recent

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of Travis or Bob Lazar I remember well

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maybe not Betty and Barney Hill that

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came later when I started reading the

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books but but Travis Walton I remember

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when that story broke I remember that I

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remember when Bob Lazar broke I remember

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these moments mj-12

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oh my goodness gracious Rendlesham right

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where we all know where we were when

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these stories broken they stayed with us

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today but none of the above none of

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everything that I just talked about no

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matter how you feel about those reports

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today none of it is like what we are

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going through right now

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even the other stories that were were

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big for a moment have become just a mere

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footnote in our history little bumps in

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the road little speed bumps and I'm

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talking about things that not only we

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have covered and that made the news

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somewhat and and made our circles but

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they are now just just things like

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cattle mutilations cattle mutilations as

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big as that story was just a mere bump

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in the road when you're talking about

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ufology today are you talking about the

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existence and you're talking about

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everything that is going on in contact

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do you bring up cattle mutilations in

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the conversation you do not you don't

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it's okay I'm just saying

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go with me what about things like Nazi

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craft right you're gonna sit around by

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the campfire and you're gonna talk about

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the things that are going on today

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you're gonna bring up Nazi Quentin you

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are not black triangles I photograph

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them I have a photograph of a black

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triangle on film that I shot myself how

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many times have I mentioned it on this

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show twice I don't bring it up in

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conversation I'm doing a presentation

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for people at a conference I don't bring

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it up

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I don't whip the photograph out black

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triangles crazy phenomenon tr3 B's

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Belgium footnotes that's it horns in the

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clouds

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remember that worldwide phenomenon the

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cover of communion now I'm just kidding

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um the cover of communion is still one

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of the most significant things in UFO

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history but what about Nordics

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reptilians the graves the insectoids all

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right turning into mere footnotes things

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that we just accept

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it goes into the book and there it is

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it's part of the collective mass the

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mother ships the mother ships another

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thing a part of our UFO history it was a

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big deal the mother ships come the small

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ships leave and cruise around the planet

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go back up into the mother ships and

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take off back to Zeta Reticuli yeah and

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and and and it flips me out beam ships

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talk about a bump in the road of ufology

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right in our community then you have

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something like billy meier turns out to

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be one of the you know one of the great

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hoaxes of ever he pulled it off got me

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he got me he certainly got me I wouldn't

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be here today I'm this microphone if it

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wasn't for billy meier sucking me in but

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billy meier a mere footnote in ufology

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past tense pass a forgotten today are

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you going today are you seriously gonna

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put your game face on and talk to some

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other abductee somebody else that has

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had experiences and you're sitting under

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the night sky you got the campfire going

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and some crazy light flies overhead and

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flashes at you and you guys go wow there

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goes something really cool and then

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you're gonna spin around and bring up

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billy meier you are not now think about

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this just listen all of it pales in

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comparison to what we are witnessing

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today we are on the brink science

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technology and the fringe are all

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converging it's all coming together it's

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overlapping we know it all of us know it

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science knows it technology knows it

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engineers know it politicians know it

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you know it those out there that are not

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part of our community know it they see

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it they feel it inside and out of our

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community

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we are on the brink something is about

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to break and it's about to break big

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sooner or later sooner or later there

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wasn't is going to be something to push

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us all over the edge it's getting ready

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and I think now it's coming from many

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sides all at the same time I do first

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first we have night vision I talk about

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it so much on this show because it is

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very important night vision this is

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something that nobody would have

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predicted 20 30 40 years ago to be in

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the hands of any civilian who can afford

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them just to be able to go out pop these

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things on military-grade look up into

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the night sky and see things see things

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that you can't explain now surely a lot

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of it could be satellites and I'm saying

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could be because we don't actually know

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but absolutely could be satellites there

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are tens of thousands of satellites

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right now up there tens of thousand you

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don't see tens of thousands of

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satellites and night vision all at once

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passing like on the 405 freeway up above

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you going east to west west to east

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north to south polar orbit it's not like

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that okay and and the things that you

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see at night vision if you want to

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determine that something is a satellite

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up there okay that's fine I have no

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issues with that because it could be but

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that does not explain the weird stuff

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the truly weird stuff not only that I

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have seen but that you have seen too as

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well okay when you have something take

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off from Planet Earth and fly up and

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into into the stars and and take a

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left-hand turn and disappear that ain't

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a satellite it ain't a plane it ain't a

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helicopter it ain't a rocket I don't

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know what it is

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but it ain't any of the above now that's

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first second we have observatories and

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satellites confirming planets out there

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when just a few short decades ago there

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were none zero zilch

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nada none no planets theorized yeah okay

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a star could have another there could be

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another star out there that's like our

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Sun and has a plan it's possible it

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could happen you know there are billions

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and billions of stars how many I plan

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and say well we don't write today

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thousands confirmed thousands perhaps

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hundreds of millions in just our own

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galaxy

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that's crazy stuff we are living it

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today third gotta drive this home

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politicians are talking about aliens

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publicly out in the open

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mainstream media never before never

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before has it all happened all at the

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same time fourth fourth fourth FS B's

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fast radio bursts and now laser contact

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in communication

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talked about weekly in the mainstream

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crazy stuff they're trying to make sense

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out of it they know something is going

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on maybe they do actually know now what

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this communication is but that

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communication has been made public with

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us in the mainstream never before never

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don't bring up the movie contact I love

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that movie but oh one of the stars of

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that movie we're working on getting on

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fade to black so I'm just gonna let you

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let you know right now who who is it

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gonna be v of course we have the Nazca

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mummies we have to talk about this it's

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all going on at the same time while we

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are still waiting for the DNA DNA test

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to be completed we have near dead

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silence from the mainstream media and

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the reason why I'm concerned about that

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is they usually jump on a great hoax

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story that's one of the favorite things

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a mainstream media to do is to make

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everybody laugh about a great hoax a

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great hoax is great news and they will

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always right right now everybody loves a

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good hoax

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the mainstream media ain't talking about

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this one nothing that's more interesting

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than if they were poking fun at it and

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sixth of course we have Corey Goode in

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the blue avians and there have been

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hundreds if not thousands of people who

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have come forward with stories about

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alien contact writing on ships traveling

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the solar system in the universe

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with every type of alien being that you

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can imagine even Jesus who then write a

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book about it make a documentary travel

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the circuit giving lectures right

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but then there's Corey Goode I remember

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once listening to someone give a lecture

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about a camping trip and about being

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abducted and being taken to an

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underground base and in this room there

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were four or five alien races and

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members of the Joint Chiefs everybody

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all in uniform and and this person was

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naming who was there in this room

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right all told in great detail and at

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the end I raised my hand and I asked

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literally I said well what evidence do

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you have and the answer that I got there

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was like 300 people in this room and the

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answer that I got was I don't remember

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anything this was all done from

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regression therapy you know fine I get

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that but the audience almost took me

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outside and hung me from a tree it got

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nasty got nasty hey man it was

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regression therapy men or take it easy

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I'm a spurt man you know what you know I

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think about this and then now we have

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Corey Goode today we need to ride this

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out I don't know what is real and what

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is not with Corey that that is not the

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point the point is we sit and listen

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I almost got lynched from a tree because

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I asked for evidence today it seems like

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it is the the thing to do now in our UFO

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community you know what

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I'm not endorsing I'm not unendorsed I'm

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not I'm not that I'm a radio host and I

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bring people on this show to bring

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forward their experiences and that's

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what we do here these are exciting times

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moments for the rest of your life this

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is fade to black I mean host Jimmy

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Church tonight great Davis is here a

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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your host Jimmy Church on the game

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over there if you take a step to the

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left or to the right you will get bitten

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though love the fader nods tonight very

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special guest ray Davis is here and as

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promised a full evening of the anunnaki

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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which on a rap report and there's no

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more fake newsroom live and maybe a

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little bit later we'll have time for

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some phone calls but right now it's

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about ray ray Davis graduated from the

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University of Kansas with the BS and

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education in history he is a writer

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thinker and speaker committed to helping

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people shift paradigms in ways that

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better their lives and better the planet

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he published two books Anunnaki

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awakening revelation first in a trilogy

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and the power to be you 416 empowering

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thoughts for daily life after nearly

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dying at the age of 25 Ray has spent the

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last 25 years studying the world's great

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religious texts comparative mythology

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mythology cosmology and psychology his

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00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:20,010
unique take on human history is drawn

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from years of research and long hours of

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pondering how those pieces fit together

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tonight

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we'll discuss the Anunnaki and how the

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history of our species is far more

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complex and muddled than the accounts in

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our high school history books will tell

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us I would like to welcome fellow fader

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not ray Davis to fade to black ray good

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evening sir how are you

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Jimmy could evening glad to be here

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thank you for having me

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fellow fader not made it through man how

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does that feel really good I've been

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listening for a long time so that that

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really means a lot thank you now I'm

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gonna I'm gonna blow up Twitter right

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now for you so everybody in Twitter

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understands who this is this is Ray now

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ray now you get the first time guest

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disclaimer so let's get that out of the

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way this is just you and I sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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and where the conversation starts it

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starts and where it ends it

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ends but we're gonna and his friends are

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you ready to go I am more than ready

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where did you grow up I grew up in the

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Kansas City area fact my wife and I both

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were up in that area live got our 50

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year card there a few years ago and then

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moved to Boston a couple of years ago

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but spent all my growing up here is in

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and around the Kansas City area

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which which Kansas City the Kansas side

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the Kansas side but you know what's

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00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:41,970
funny

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I bet if you if you're not in that part

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of the country but you just go around

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the country and you ask people about ask

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them they would have no clue what we are

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talking about right now isn't that funny

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it is true it is it is 100% true now so

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I would say that you're on the good side

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I'll say that you're on the real side

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let's just go with that Kansas City

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barbecue is it is it all that everybody

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you know pumps it up to be well I can

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only say this in my day job I am

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involved in training and we bring people

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in the Kansas City you know for many

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many years for training at the company

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that I work at and everybody looks

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forward to the barbecue and no one has

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ever gone away disappointed it's big

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00:36:32,839 --> 00:36:29,900
you know what fights have broken out

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right I mean countries have fallen men

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have died over who's got the best Kansas

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City barbecue in Kansas it's a it's a

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it's a real-deal thing I have I've got

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the different restaurants I've had

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people at restaurants come at me in that

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restaurant and sake yeah it's okay here

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but you should try this over there all

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right and you know what yeah yeah it's

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really really funny so the the whole

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Kansas City barbecue thing everybody

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that's listening to us that is a real

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dilemma it is oh it's a real-deal thing

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in Kansas City they take their a

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barbecue very very serious so you grew

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up there and you also went to college

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00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:14,609
there how far out of the state have you

745
00:37:21,049 --> 00:37:19,140
ventured well you know as an adult later

746
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,059
on in life I've traveled quite a bit a

747
00:37:25,569 --> 00:37:23,040
few years ago I spent three months in

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the Philippines my wife took a year-long

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job

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assignment there and and I was able to

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go over there for three months and spend

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some time there which was a real

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eye-opener you know I think as Americans

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we have a very bubbling bubbled

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existence you know we don't really see

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00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:41,579
what goes on in the rest of the world

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00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:42,690
and it's really eye-opening to go

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00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:45,780
someplace else and see people who don't

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00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:47,460
have nearly as much as we have here and

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and yet are still happy which is you

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know kind of an awakening for anyone to

762
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,570
have but I've traveled around the United

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States a lot we we've been to Germany

764
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Costa Rica a number of other countries

765
00:38:03,319 --> 00:38:01,829
and you know I had we really enjoyed

766
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:03,329
traveling with Hawaii's kind of our

767
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:05,190
favorite spot we'd like to wind up there

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00:38:10,099 --> 00:38:05,640
someday

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00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:10,109
we're a big Hawaii fans I used to and

770
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when you leave the country you and it

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00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:14,760
doesn't really matter what country you

772
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,290
go to you can go to some crazily

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well-developed situation like the UK or

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Germany or France or the Netherlands and

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Japan but but once you go down a couple

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00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,579
of tier levels right and you experience

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00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:31,740
what it's like there and you think about

778
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what we have here in the United States

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and that is a real eye-opener and it's

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it's it's sad and one aspect but the

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00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:44,730
other part of it is you really do get an

782
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:46,650
appreciation for this country and you

783
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,520
come back and you hear certain elements

784
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,040
of our own society our own you know

785
00:38:59,540 --> 00:38:55,920
citizens here talking smack about this

786
00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:59,550
country and you know that those people

787
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:01,170
that are speaking the loudest have never

788
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,270
been outside of the United States they

789
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:06,480
have no clue no no clue whatsoever

790
00:39:13,809 --> 00:39:09,599
and you're so right about that seeing

791
00:39:16,579 --> 00:39:13,819
there was down in Panama from my house

792
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with the pair of binoculars I could look

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00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:17,970
oh well I didn't need the binoculars

794
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:20,220
across this little Bay right there was

795
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,770
called the bay of Panama but you know I

796
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,599
don't know half mile across or something

797
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:26,940
but right on the other side of it was

798
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:30,450
this very very poor section of Panama

799
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:32,790
City which says a lot to say that

800
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:36,060
there's a poor section because anyway

801
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:40,440
anyway called Sharia and

802
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:44,130
next tutorial they had this place where

803
00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:49,619
they incinerated corpses right okay all

804
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:50,760
right that's what that's what they did

805
00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:53,730
there at that field where they did this

806
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,550
was also a soccer field

807
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,980
now you could you call it a soccer field

808
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because that's where they played soccer

809
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:04,650
it was a dirt patch but somehow they got

810
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:06,599
it lit up right I don't know how that

811
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happened but they would play soccer

812
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:11,040
there at night with these soccer goals

813
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,970
made out of spare wood you know like

814
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,460
Coca Cola cartons I don't know you know

815
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:19,260
I don't know but they somehow would get

816
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,089
a couple of goals up there and these

817
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:24,960
kids kids 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 years old

818
00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:27,420
out there a couple of hundred of them

819
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:29,550
playing soccer every night and I would

820
00:40:36,339 --> 00:40:32,220
watch them with my binoculars playing

821
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:36,349
like they were in the World Cup right

822
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:39,270
next to where they are you know what I

823
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,710
mean I'm talking about poor you've never

824
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:46,380
seen so many smiling faces and Happiness

825
00:40:53,059 --> 00:40:51,210
right and and it's sad it makes you you

826
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,069
know wonder you know about your own

827
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:55,560
existence but at the same time you

828
00:41:01,640 --> 00:40:59,280
really and Here I am with binoculars

829
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:01,650
across the bay for looking at them from

830
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:07,410
a golf course a total opposite of what's

831
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:09,930
going on and any once you see that

832
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,839
reality it really opens up your eyes so

833
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:14,579
enough for that okay yeah you're

834
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,260
absolutely right

835
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:19,760
with with this trip that you went on in

836
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:22,950
investigating the Annunaki we're growing

837
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:25,829
up is your family into the supernatural

838
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:28,380
of Hara normal or you follow gee what

839
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:30,089
was that like growing up and how did you

840
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:32,040
how did you stumble upon this life's

841
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:36,390
path that's a long and twisted story bit

842
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:37,740
let's let's get into that a little bit I

843
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:40,619
am so no not really my family really is

844
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:43,859
not into this sort of thing but my dad

845
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:46,050
was a little bit when I was really young

846
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:48,510
in fact I told this story a number of

847
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:52,200
times that what got me hooked I was I

848
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:54,330
think six or seven years old

849
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,510
and my dad had read Erich von Daniken's

850
00:42:01,070 --> 00:41:59,460
Chariots of the Gods and when the movie

851
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:01,080
came out we actually went and saw it in

852
00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:03,090
the theater and I can remember sitting

853
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:06,600
there is as young as I was and I am I I

854
00:42:09,380 --> 00:42:08,040
was kind of always one of those kids

855
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:09,390
that would say stuff and the adults

856
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,500
would kind of scratch their heads

857
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:12,000
because I I don't know I always

858
00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:14,010
especially when I was very young I had I

859
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:17,790
think some insights into some things and

860
00:42:20,570 --> 00:42:19,320
then as I kind of got it I guess some

861
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:20,580
lead into the culture we can talk about

862
00:42:24,260 --> 00:42:22,110
that later you know you kind of you kind

863
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:24,270
of lose those things but but I was

864
00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:26,900
hooked right away and I mean you know

865
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:29,340
read everything I could even at that age

866
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:31,170
you know when in search of came on with

867
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:32,790
one redeem or later on you know that was

868
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:35,790
must-see TV for me you know but no one

869
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:36,930
else in my family was really that

870
00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:38,250
interested in nor any of my friends

871
00:42:44,570 --> 00:42:39,750
really it was just something that I've

872
00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:44,580
always had a passion for and for me the

873
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:47,340
same thing because we're very close to

874
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:50,610
being the same age here and Chariots of

875
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:54,720
the Gods that book the movie was a big

876
00:43:00,860 --> 00:42:57,630
deal here in the United States and it

877
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:00,870
was a cultural phenomenon and what I did

878
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,630
I wouldn't saw it at the theater but you

879
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,000
know what I used to do ray I used there

880
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:08,400
were television commercials for it on TV

881
00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:11,690
and I would wait for that TV commercial

882
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:15,390
to get to that section about Nazca right

883
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,400
with the plane flying over and when I

884
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:19,200
got when I saw that at the movie theater

885
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:20,550
which was it was towards the end of the

886
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:23,310
movie to had to sit through the line I

887
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:26,820
would sit around and wait for those TV

888
00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:29,670
commercials it just blew my mind

889
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:32,790
and I think all of us owe a great debt

890
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:35,160
to Erich von däniken in that book in

891
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:38,520
that movie for exposing it on such a

892
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:39,390
global level

893
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,970
absolutely well did you have that did

894
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:43,380
you have the luck or the chance to see

895
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:47,490
anything in the skies of a newer kid not

896
00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:49,530
when I was a kid well I've been so I had

897
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,360
a couple of experiences when I was a kid

898
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:53,520
that I didn't really understand until

899
00:44:00,110 --> 00:43:57,930
later on as far as UFOs I've seen three

900
00:44:02,810 --> 00:44:00,120
and and they've all been as an adult but

901
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,820
I had a really interesting experience

902
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:04,800
when I was when I was very young I don't

903
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:06,690
know how old I was I

904
00:44:12,570 --> 00:44:10,630
stole I was able to walk so I was

905
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:12,580
obviously not a toddler but I was still

906
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:15,790
in a crib I think and I have this memory

907
00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:17,170
and I've shared this again a couple of

908
00:44:22,590 --> 00:44:20,830
times before where I was crying I think

909
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:22,600
I was sick or something and I was crying

910
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:24,190
crying crying and I and I couldn't

911
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:25,570
understand why my parents weren't coming

912
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:27,430
in and it was middle of the night house

913
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:32,290
was dark someone or something got me out

914
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:36,690
of the bed walked me into their room and

915
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:39,010
all the lights were on in their room and

916
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:40,330
they burned my parents were sitting on

917
00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:42,520
the edge of the bed like in a trance not

918
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:44,470
moving and I went calling out to them

919
00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:50,230
and not they're not moving at all I was

920
00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:52,420
told they can't help you you know they

921
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:54,100
can't do anything to help you or

922
00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:55,450
whatever and and I don't

923
00:44:58,830 --> 00:44:56,740
for years I never remembered what

924
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,840
happened after that later on it you were

925
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,640
talking earlier about the regressive

926
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:02,800
hypnosis I had some of that done at one

927
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:05,770
point in time and eventually in a

928
00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:08,590
meditation session and 2025 years ago

929
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:11,820
now I had the memory of turning around

930
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:15,730
after that incident and seeing what

931
00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:18,540
would be called the traditional gray and

932
00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:20,980
you're also mentioning the the communion

933
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:23,109
cover earlier and and I remember seeing

934
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:24,609
that book back in you know the eighties

935
00:45:28,109 --> 00:45:26,410
when that first came out on the book

936
00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:28,119
stand I walked in the store and I walked

937
00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:30,280
by it twice and I looked at it and this

938
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:31,960
was before I even had the memory of what

939
00:45:36,359 --> 00:45:34,990
I had seen I had to read that book and I

940
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:36,369
took it home and did not put it down

941
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:38,890
till I was done with it and so I had

942
00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:40,390
this experience the next morning of

943
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:41,800
course my parents played it off said oh

944
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:44,740
it was a dream you know or you know that

945
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:46,840
wasn't true and and all this sort of

946
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:49,900
thing but you know I I mean it was real

947
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,880
I was up I was standing there watching

948
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:54,400
them the lights were on they were frozen

949
00:46:01,290 --> 00:45:57,430
couldn't do anything and after then I

950
00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:01,300
had a number of I used to experience a

951
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:03,160
shadow that I would call it coming to my

952
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:05,260
window at night and I would have dreams

953
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:07,150
about being abducted and my parents

954
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:10,510
being I know these are actual dreams of

955
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:14,700
being abducted you know them them being

956
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:16,810
disabled in one way or another unable to

957
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:19,359
help me and and it was weird because in

958
00:46:23,549 --> 00:46:20,650
my dream

959
00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:23,559
this is gonna be funny I guess but in my

960
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:25,480
dreams the characters for TV characters

961
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,130
so the lead person who was abducting me

962
00:46:29,579 --> 00:46:28,960
was like was Colonel Hogan from Hogan's

963
00:46:31,470 --> 00:46:29,589
Heroes

964
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:31,480
okay and then there are other TV

965
00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:32,980
characters who did this and this went on

966
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:34,270
for a number of times but this shadow

967
00:46:36,779 --> 00:46:35,770
would come to the to the window and I

968
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,789
would tell my parents there's this

969
00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:38,079
shadow outside you know they would say

970
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:39,880
ignore it you know you're fine whatever

971
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:42,190
and this went on for a number of years

972
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:43,510
until I finally had a dream where they

973
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:44,650
told me they weren't going to come and

974
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:45,369
do this anymore

975
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:48,700
and I never had that dream or that

976
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,089
experience again so and I don't really

977
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:53,680
know what to make of all of that I know

978
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:56,170
the one experience was was very real I

979
00:47:00,450 --> 00:46:57,490
think the others may have just been

980
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:00,460
dreams but it's clear I was tuned in to

981
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:02,380
this kind of thing from a very early age

982
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:05,470
did you talk to other people or friends

983
00:47:13,019 --> 00:47:10,680
or family about this not really um you

984
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:13,029
know I never really had any friends

985
00:47:16,349 --> 00:47:14,710
growing up who were really into this

986
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:16,359
kind of thing I had a couple of really

987
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:17,410
good friends that you know you could

988
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:19,089
talk about quote anything to but but

989
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:21,130
never really about this sort of thing

990
00:47:26,609 --> 00:47:23,770
and I think as I got a little bit older

991
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:26,619
and kind of got into sports and in

992
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,210
school and other things I think I just

993
00:47:32,339 --> 00:47:30,160
kind of you know blended into the

994
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:32,349
culture and kind of get this amnesia I

995
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:34,329
think that a lot of people are suffering

996
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:37,690
from that that doesn't allow them to to

997
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:39,130
see these things anymore and it wasn't

998
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:40,990
till much later when I was an adult that

999
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:44,260
I began to get interested in and again

1000
00:47:49,859 --> 00:47:47,250
and when I almost died that was really a

1001
00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:49,869
an important moment in my life that's

1002
00:47:54,359 --> 00:47:51,460
really put me on the trajectory I'm on

1003
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:54,369
now because that made me really

1004
00:47:58,650 --> 00:47:55,930
everything I went back and wanted to

1005
00:48:00,240 --> 00:47:58,660
find out you know what this life is all

1006
00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:00,250
about you know what people around the

1007
00:48:03,089 --> 00:48:02,109
world think the meaning of life is

1008
00:48:05,549 --> 00:48:03,099
that's what got me into all the

1009
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,559
different you know religious texts

1010
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:08,319
mythology things like that and then I

1011
00:48:12,299 --> 00:48:10,450
was able to start putting some context

1012
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:12,309
into this and ever since then really

1013
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:13,960
made this a really important part of my

1014
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:16,480
life you know trying to maintain a

1015
00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:17,849
normal life on the side but also

1016
00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:19,900
researching these things studying these

1017
00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:21,400
things and then a few years ago when we

1018
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,369
became empty nesters you know it was

1019
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:25,839
time for me to get back into this whole

1020
00:48:30,990 --> 00:48:27,640
hog so that's kind of what's led me to

1021
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:31,000
writing this book and and you know doing

1022
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:33,670
these sorts of things but you'd ask

1023
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:36,760
about UFOs I I've seen three two of them

1024
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:38,290
within a few weeks of each other back in

1025
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:41,530
the early 90s and you know what I

1026
00:48:44,609 --> 00:48:43,510
classifies a UFO I'm not one of those

1027
00:48:46,589 --> 00:48:44,619
people that goes out in every light I

1028
00:48:48,589 --> 00:48:46,599
see in the sky I think as a UFO I mean

1029
00:48:51,299 --> 00:48:48,599
you know there there are things that are

1030
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:51,309
obvious you know obviously you know

1031
00:48:56,010 --> 00:48:53,250
human technology there are things that

1032
00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:56,020
are different things but the ones I saw

1033
00:49:00,000 --> 00:48:58,510
one was was a light that I saw hanging

1034
00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:00,010
in the sky I was working a job at that

1035
00:49:04,530 --> 00:49:01,950
time I was pretty young working two jobs

1036
00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:04,540
one of the jobs I was in and out of a

1037
00:49:07,799 --> 00:49:06,280
building all night long and there was

1038
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:07,809
this light in the sky it was kind of the

1039
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:09,250
shade of a streetlight kind of that

1040
00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:11,170
yellowish tint of a streetlight that was

1041
00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:12,940
just hanging in the sky all night as I

1042
00:49:18,299 --> 00:49:15,460
was working and I lived about 15 miles

1043
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:18,309
from where I worked and down a major

1044
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:20,530
highway there in Kansas City and this

1045
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,270
thing followed me along the highway

1046
00:49:26,789 --> 00:49:23,920
along the tree line all the way back to

1047
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:26,799
my apartment my apartment was right on

1048
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:29,230
the highway up in a hill overlooking it

1049
00:49:32,849 --> 00:49:31,089
so I got to my apartment left the lights

1050
00:49:35,309 --> 00:49:32,859
that went out on my deck and waited and

1051
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:35,319
this thing drops below the horizon so it

1052
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,970
was late at night got something to eat

1053
00:49:40,049 --> 00:49:38,079
I'm watching TV

1054
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:40,059
and all of a sudden it pops up again I

1055
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:41,710
see it pop up again across the horizon

1056
00:49:45,319 --> 00:49:43,540
come over the highway come over the

1057
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:45,329
parking lot of our apartment complex

1058
00:49:49,859 --> 00:49:48,130
still just this this you know single

1059
00:49:51,089 --> 00:49:49,869
light and then it lights up and you

1060
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:51,099
could see this thing was much larger

1061
00:49:55,859 --> 00:49:53,380
than it had appeared earlier with all

1062
00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:55,869
multi different color lights and what

1063
00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:57,160
was odd is there were some people

1064
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,660
standing in the parking lot

1065
00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:00,640
the lights were reflecting on the

1066
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:02,260
parking lot they didn't seem to really

1067
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,020
notice what was going on I stood there

1068
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:06,880
for about 30 seconds kind of of my jaw

1069
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:08,770
hit in the ground and in this thing shot

1070
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:11,410
off to the southwest I mean no noise no

1071
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,990
anything just way faster than you know

1072
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:16,140
anything that you would ever see a human

1073
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:19,290
craft do so that was the first one I saw

1074
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:23,290
about five or six weeks later I had the

1075
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:25,510
exact same experience except when I got

1076
00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:27,730
back to the apartment this thing went

1077
00:50:33,660 --> 00:50:31,030
way up high and then blinked out to kind

1078
00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:33,670
of a bluish color and kind of blended in

1079
00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:36,190
with the Stars in fact if I hadn't seen

1080
00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:37,960
what it did I mean would have looked

1081
00:50:43,950 --> 00:50:42,040
like one of the stars great and so that

1082
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:43,960
was really bizarre the third one was a

1083
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,910
number of years later I was on my way

1084
00:50:50,730 --> 00:50:47,200
back actually from a business

1085
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:50,740
to make your client into a hair late at

1086
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:52,060
night and we're over Lake Michigan

1087
00:50:56,579 --> 00:50:54,460
waiting to land and there was you know

1088
00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:56,589
there was a half circle of commercial

1089
00:51:01,530 --> 00:50:58,660
jets waiting to land and then up from

1090
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,540
the lake up from below us came this

1091
00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:04,000
bright light being chased by something

1092
00:51:09,329 --> 00:51:06,150
that was obviously a fighter jet and

1093
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:09,339
this light was just maneuvering in ways

1094
00:51:14,849 --> 00:51:13,030
that were just crazy you know the jet

1095
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:14,859
was not able to keep up with it was not

1096
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:16,150
able to maneuver with it and eventually

1097
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:18,190
it shot straight out but what I found

1098
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:19,930
really intriguing about that on top of

1099
00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:21,730
the fact that this thing was doing

1100
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:23,260
things that the jet couldn't match is

1101
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:24,520
there this was all going on in the

1102
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:26,950
middle of a commercial air pattern and I

1103
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:28,510
find it a lot harder to believe that the

1104
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:31,060
military was conducting some sort of a

1105
00:51:35,069 --> 00:51:33,490
planned exercise that was taking them

1106
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:35,079
right in the middle of eight or ten

1107
00:51:39,810 --> 00:51:36,640
planes getting ready to land at O'Hare

1108
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,820
so those are my my three UFO stories

1109
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:42,640
pretty incredible actually I wanted to

1110
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:44,890
ask you I didn't want to interrupt but

1111
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:49,089
the first one where the the street light

1112
00:51:53,309 --> 00:51:51,250
looking you know Kent came out over the

1113
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:53,319
parking lot when it came towards you

1114
00:52:00,510 --> 00:51:58,690
from Horizon I did it get bigger well

1115
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:00,520
all I could see until I got over our

1116
00:52:05,339 --> 00:52:02,770
parking lot and hovered for about thirty

1117
00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:05,349
seconds was just that that small street

1118
00:52:10,099 --> 00:52:07,960
light shade run then when both the other

1119
00:52:12,450 --> 00:52:10,109
lights lit up you could see you know

1120
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:12,460
thinking back now I don't know I would

1121
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:15,490
say was maybe one T 25 feet across

1122
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:17,640
I really couldn't determine the shape

1123
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:20,140
that well but there were a number of

1124
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:21,849
lights that all seemed to be on the

1125
00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:23,740
bottom and the sides of it red green

1126
00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:26,230
blue lights all multicolored lights Wow

1127
00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:29,500
and no noise but you could see the

1128
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:31,720
lights on the parking lot like it was

1129
00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:33,160
the lights were blinking and you could

1130
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,140
see them flashing on the parking lot wow

1131
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:37,359
that's incredible any reports in the

1132
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,690
news I looked there was nothing at the

1133
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:43,359
time I've asked online you know a number

1134
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:44,980
of years later if anyone had had seen

1135
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,900
anything around that time and nothing

1136
00:52:50,550 --> 00:52:48,400
that I ever saw and at that time I I

1137
00:52:53,339 --> 00:52:50,560
didn't even think to reporter to move on

1138
00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:53,349
or anything but right what year what

1139
00:53:00,240 --> 00:52:55,000
year did this sighting happen

1140
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:00,250
this was 1991 1991 they

1141
00:53:07,170 --> 00:53:03,070
interesting sighting that's that's

1142
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:07,180
really really really cool and also yeah

1143
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,010
what's getting ready to say in Allison

1144
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:10,960
just posted o'hare super super busy

1145
00:53:20,610 --> 00:53:16,960
airport yeah absolutely

1146
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:20,620
the the the sightings like this when

1147
00:53:25,620 --> 00:53:24,130
they happen they usually you know you're

1148
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:25,630
not expecting it unless you're out there

1149
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:26,890
doing night vision with her you know

1150
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:28,570
where you're looking for something like

1151
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:32,170
this but then it happens most of the

1152
00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:34,390
time when you're least expecting it how

1153
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:37,660
has that changed you know your life view

1154
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:40,240
or were you already on that path but was

1155
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:42,430
this sort of copper you know your own

1156
00:53:55,220 --> 00:53:50,820
already and I have to admit that that

1157
00:53:58,260 --> 00:53:55,230
around this time again this was within

1158
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,270
eighteen months probably of me almost

1159
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:01,920
dying spending six weeks in a hospital

1160
00:54:08,190 --> 00:54:04,630
really should have died my doctor told

1161
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:08,200
me that I should have died and around

1162
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:10,060
this time I was reading everything I

1163
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:11,410
could get my hands on a new ethology

1164
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:13,270
this is when I had already read

1165
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:15,460
streamers books at that time but I was

1166
00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:17,890
getting every book I could get from the

1167
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:19,840
bookstore from the library just reading

1168
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:21,370
everything I could on it sorry I I

1169
00:54:24,930 --> 00:54:23,470
obviously had a focus on it which made

1170
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:24,940
the fact that this was happening even

1171
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:28,000
more bizarre because it was just you had

1172
00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:29,410
this sense that someone knew I was

1173
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,150
really intrigued in this and and and I

1174
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:34,240
was being shown something around the

1175
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:38,670
same time I also had a very weird

1176
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:44,140
missing time event so I was at the time

1177
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:45,640
I was living in an apartment with my

1178
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:47,410
brother and a friend and they both

1179
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:49,570
tended to be out on weekends my brother

1180
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:52,450
was dating his then soon-to-be wife at

1181
00:54:55,770 --> 00:54:54,130
that time and and he was usually gone on

1182
00:54:58,890 --> 00:54:55,780
weekends and our friend would go back to

1183
00:55:00,060 --> 00:54:58,900
his see his family on western Kansas and

1184
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:00,070
so I would have the apartment to myself

1185
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:02,290
and I would get home on a Friday night

1186
00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:03,970
and I had a job at that time it was very

1187
00:55:07,710 --> 00:55:05,860
mentally taxing and I was just exhausted

1188
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:07,720
and awesomes I would just crash out on

1189
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:10,450
the living room floor so I was laying

1190
00:55:14,430 --> 00:55:12,370
there listening to Michael Stern's

1191
00:55:17,339 --> 00:55:14,440
famous

1192
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:17,349
album at that time encounter of all

1193
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:20,529
things and lights are off it's winter

1194
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,450
time so it's dark and I'm listening to

1195
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:25,359
this music and I look over the clock and

1196
00:55:30,569 --> 00:55:28,960
it's 804 p.m. and I'm laying in there

1197
00:55:32,190 --> 00:55:30,579
for about 10 minutes listening to the

1198
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:32,200
music and I look over the clock again

1199
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,020
and the clock just flipped to 304 a.m.

1200
00:55:40,740 --> 00:55:37,839
and I laid there for a minute I thought

1201
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:40,750
well this is bizarre because I know I've

1202
00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:42,609
been listening to that music constantly

1203
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:44,339
I've been listening for about 10 minutes

1204
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:48,250
and that seven hours did not pass I go I

1205
00:55:52,019 --> 00:55:49,690
get up and I go to the kitchen and I

1206
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:52,029
flip the light on and I could see light

1207
00:55:57,089 --> 00:55:55,569
in the room slowly filling the room and

1208
00:55:59,730 --> 00:55:57,099
then so I would flip the white back off

1209
00:56:01,470 --> 00:55:59,740
slowly evacuating the room like almost

1210
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:01,480
in slow motion and this went on for

1211
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:03,250
about 15 minutes until finally it kind

1212
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:04,809
of went back to normal but it seemed

1213
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:05,950
like there was some sort of a time

1214
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:08,529
distortion in the apartment I have no

1215
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:12,010
memory of what might have happened that

1216
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,990
time I my room memory is that I was

1217
00:56:18,180 --> 00:56:15,520
conscious listening to the music the

1218
00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:18,190
entire time and I and I know this kind

1219
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:19,720
of stuff sounds crazy to people that

1220
00:56:24,779 --> 00:56:22,750
it's like you know yeah there's a real

1221
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:24,789
experience I'm kind of sometimes I kind

1222
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:26,140
of miss this stuff because I have not

1223
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:28,630
had these experiences in a number of

1224
00:56:34,529 --> 00:56:31,839
years but it's it was really fascinating

1225
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:34,539
to watch that light do that and and that

1226
00:56:39,809 --> 00:56:36,010
seemed to be some sort of physical

1227
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:39,819
confirmation of the fact that what what

1228
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:41,940
year was that what year was this right

1229
00:56:49,319 --> 00:56:46,270
that would have been 1990 so you were

1230
00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:49,329
still puffing the weed that's okay

1231
00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:51,880
no I went through once ever in my life

1232
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:56,200
oh man that happened to me a couple of

1233
00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:58,210
times with the Frank Zappa album but

1234
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,390
that's a that's a whole nother show

1235
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:04,240
that's really cool and we're gonna head

1236
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:06,609
towards a break here but you know I've

1237
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,910
had my couple little experiences of I've

1238
00:57:14,279 --> 00:57:11,680
shared them with everybody you know out

1239
00:57:17,099 --> 00:57:14,289
driving and getting lost and not

1240
00:57:19,049 --> 00:57:17,109
remembering where I was but I was across

1241
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:19,059
the street from my house right you know

1242
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:21,369
the little things like that and and

1243
00:57:26,339 --> 00:57:24,160
coming out of it when we go through some

1244
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:26,349
kind of time lapse or some kind of weird

1245
00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:27,610
thing that happened

1246
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:30,280
it's hard to explain to people and you

1247
00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:32,230
don't want them to think that you're

1248
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:34,660
crazy so what do you do you never tell

1249
00:57:39,870 --> 00:57:37,390
anybody you just keep it to yourself but

1250
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:39,880
not tonight ray everybody knows the

1251
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:41,890
story our guest tonight ray Davis we're

1252
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,050
gonna do Annunaki all evening tonight

1253
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:46,240
when we come back we'll start talking

1254
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:49,030
about his first book this is fade to

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evening tonight as promised now ray

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let's get let's like get straight to it

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how were you first exposed to the

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Anunnaki so I like so many people I was

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first exposed to it through Zecharia

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Sitchin's work I'm back in the early

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nineties around the same time very

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important part of my life I think there

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was a radio host in Kansas City named

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Mike Murphy who actually hosted close to

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coast for art back from the day that's

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right other times and he used to do

1341
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:35,220
shows on this sort of thing and he had

1342
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,930
Zakaria on a number of times so I went

1343
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:39,599
out and picked up the books and read

1344
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:42,839
them and and it was a very intrigued by

1345
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:44,250
that because you know history was my

1346
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:47,910
background and I had read all you know a

1347
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:50,609
lot of the standard writings about these

1348
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,710
things and this was kind of a wake-up

1349
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:54,000
call for me that there might be a

1350
01:02:57,140 --> 01:02:54,930
different way to look at this

1351
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:57,150
information and so definitely through

1352
01:03:00,980 --> 01:02:58,890
zecharia sitchin is where I was exposed

1353
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:00,990
to it for the first time how did you go

1354
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:04,470
out and start to research it's a very

1355
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:11,000
about 1990-91 certainly there was

1356
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:13,410
Sitchin but there's not a whole lot of

1357
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:16,160
reference material out there was there

1358
01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:18,420
you know there was not really wasn't

1359
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:19,859
until the internet I think came along

1360
01:03:22,819 --> 01:03:21,000
that there was more information

1361
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,829
thankfully I didn't start writing trying

1362
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:24,000
to write this book we're really getting

1363
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:26,250
into this topic to to in-depth before

1364
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:30,210
that really what I did is I went back

1365
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:32,760
and read more you know I touched on the

1366
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:35,030
Sumerian stuff a little bit in school I

1367
01:03:42,049 --> 01:03:38,250
went back and read more of the you know

1368
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:42,059
the quote-unquote mainstream writings

1369
01:03:47,420 --> 01:03:44,460
about that I've always been interested

1370
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:47,430
as I said after I died I went in and you

1371
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:50,250
know I began studying different

1372
01:03:54,450 --> 01:03:52,740
religions mythologies you know I I read

1373
01:03:56,250 --> 01:03:54,460
the Bible through many times I

1374
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:56,260
red you know most of the Indian tacks

1375
01:04:01,800 --> 01:03:59,920
I've read you know many of the North

1376
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:01,810
American cultures things like that and

1377
01:04:05,790 --> 01:04:03,670
and was a big fan on honestly the

1378
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:05,800
writings of Joseph Campbell you know and

1379
01:04:08,370 --> 01:04:07,150
one of the things that I felt like he

1380
01:04:11,339 --> 01:04:08,380
really brought to the table was this

1381
01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:11,349
idea that there's a lot of commonality

1382
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:13,480
in all of these stories all over the

1383
01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:17,410
world and so you know when I when I look

1384
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:19,540
at this I look at it very holistically

1385
01:04:25,740 --> 01:04:23,160
that way that we're kind of seeing a

1386
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:25,750
repeating pattern and I'm sure there's

1387
01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:27,070
sharing that went on among different

1388
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:29,080
cultures in the ancient world where some

1389
01:04:36,359 --> 01:04:31,300
of this stuff was shared to me the

1390
01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:36,369
Sumerian stories seem to be at least in

1391
01:04:43,230 --> 01:04:41,320
this go around the source material that

1392
01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:43,240
informed the other ones and I and I

1393
01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:44,440
realize they're people who may disagree

1394
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:47,080
with that think it was Egypt or or other

1395
01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:50,290
things or even even Genesis but I really

1396
01:04:55,950 --> 01:04:53,950
believe that the the core of the stories

1397
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:55,960
that infiltrated throughout the Near

1398
01:05:00,839 --> 01:04:57,250
East and and around the Mediterranean

1399
01:05:02,370 --> 01:05:00,849
really began there so whether or not

1400
01:05:05,250 --> 01:05:02,380
that that's actually the cradle of human

1401
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:05,260
civilization is a debate but it's

1402
01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:07,390
certainly to me is the cradle of those

1403
01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:09,880
mythologies and those stories that then

1404
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:11,950
later led into many other things

1405
01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:14,710
including you know somewhat

1406
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:16,660
controversial II I guess but the three

1407
01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:18,609
major monotheistic faiths in the West I

1408
01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:21,160
mean you know all of those really come

1409
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:23,260
down to one moment right when when this

1410
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:25,450
this man named Abram was called out by

1411
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:28,290
God out of the Sumerian city of Ur and

1412
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:30,880
that's kind of where you know Judaism

1413
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,530
Christianity and Islam all have with a

1414
01:05:37,050 --> 01:05:34,960
root right there in that moment so you

1415
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,060
know it's a good question to ask who was

1416
01:05:41,310 --> 01:05:39,280
the god that was calling him and and you

1417
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:41,320
know what was they the agenda and the

1418
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:43,450
reason for doing that and and so that's

1419
01:05:48,450 --> 01:05:45,730
that's kind of where I started when I

1420
01:05:50,810 --> 01:05:48,460
began researching this with the book now

1421
01:05:54,780 --> 01:05:50,820
you have a degree in history and

1422
01:05:59,760 --> 01:05:54,790
education and as you studied for your

1423
01:06:01,410 --> 01:05:59,770
degree was there anything about what you

1424
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,420
were gonna do in the future was any of

1425
01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:03,280
this stuff talked about in college when

1426
01:06:07,660 --> 01:06:05,080
you were there and I mean becoming a

1427
01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:07,670
history major you know a BS

1428
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:13,270
you are supposed to have been exposed to

1429
01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:16,970
everything in its totality world history

1430
01:06:21,579 --> 01:06:19,819
US history European history of course

1431
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:21,589
the world wars but then there's all of

1432
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:24,290
the religion and it's it should be

1433
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:27,950
all-encompassing did it touch upon the

1434
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:31,160
Annunaki story and the Sumerian tax and

1435
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:37,130
the origin mythos you know I don't know

1436
01:06:41,470 --> 01:06:38,809
people think that's a conspiracy theory

1437
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:41,480
that that stuff is ignore now what I did

1438
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:44,270
have is in fifth grade and a knight like

1439
01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:46,490
she's she's gone now she's passed I'm

1440
01:06:50,530 --> 01:06:48,740
sure but my fifth grade teacher I think

1441
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:50,540
obviously had an interest in this

1442
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:53,410
because we spent a bunch of time on the

1443
01:06:58,990 --> 01:06:56,569
way more than was in the book on Sumeria

1444
01:07:00,970 --> 01:06:59,000
in fifth grade in history so that way

1445
01:07:03,099 --> 01:07:00,980
back then but in college no you know

1446
01:07:05,319 --> 01:07:03,109
it's all about Egypt and Greece and Rome

1447
01:07:06,970 --> 01:07:05,329
and and those cultures you know kind of

1448
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:06,980
traditional cultures and and the

1449
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:10,400
Sumerian culture was largely ignored I

1450
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:12,170
think there were probably classes

1451
01:07:16,210 --> 01:07:14,150
specific classes on it that I could have

1452
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:16,220
taken that I didn't take but just in the

1453
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:18,650
general history it was not emphasized

1454
01:07:23,549 --> 01:07:20,180
you know in comparison of those other

1455
01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:23,559
ancient cultures I had it's interesting

1456
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:25,790
that you bring that up because I had a

1457
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:28,520
fourth-grade teacher I doubt that she is

1458
01:07:35,289 --> 01:07:30,650
still with us her name was mrs. Lafferty

1459
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:35,299
and she read this one semester she read

1460
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:37,849
a wrinkle and time to the to the class

1461
01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:41,119
right which which I loved

1462
01:07:45,250 --> 01:07:43,460
not only that book but the way that she

1463
01:07:48,370 --> 01:07:45,260
read to us anyway

1464
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:48,380
I remember her specifically telling us

1465
01:07:53,890 --> 01:07:51,609
that you know like time travel was real

1466
01:07:57,010 --> 01:07:53,900
and I've been fourth grade that I

1467
01:07:58,780 --> 01:07:57,020
believe anything right and and she was

1468
01:08:00,430 --> 01:07:58,790
telling us about the possibility of

1469
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:00,440
scientists and other dimensions in

1470
01:08:06,910 --> 01:08:02,930
parallel worlds and I mean what a cool

1471
01:08:12,190 --> 01:08:06,920
thing for a teacher to say in nineteen

1472
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:12,200
you know 70 71 to her class I don't know

1473
01:08:17,169 --> 01:08:14,809
how hip and cool she was I have you know

1474
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:17,179
I don't have that kind of memory but she

1475
01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:19,250
did do that and I don't think she has

1476
01:08:23,830 --> 01:08:20,870
any idea

1477
01:08:26,410 --> 01:08:23,840
of the impact she had on on her class

1478
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:26,420
and what I believe in today I go back

1479
01:08:34,330 --> 01:08:31,520
and I think of what well I am trying to

1480
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:34,340
think of the lady that wrote a wrinkle

1481
01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:37,310
in time madam Engle what was her name

1482
01:08:42,940 --> 01:08:39,680
ah it doesn't matter that that that

1483
01:08:43,930 --> 01:08:42,950
would set me on my life's journey right

1484
01:08:46,180 --> 01:08:43,940
those things

1485
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:46,190
and and it's it's interesting how

1486
01:08:50,410 --> 01:08:48,410
College was one thing but you want to

1487
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:50,420
look back you know it added an event in

1488
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:51,410
the fifth grade

1489
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:53,450
that was probably more impactful than

1490
01:08:57,310 --> 01:08:55,250
anything else that you studied in higher

1491
01:08:59,830 --> 01:08:57,320
learning absolutely

1492
01:09:05,170 --> 01:08:59,840
it's it's amazing how that happens it

1493
01:09:11,050 --> 01:09:05,180
really is now back to the Anunnaki when

1494
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:11,060
you refer to the one right the Creator

1495
01:09:18,250 --> 01:09:14,270
that that is being referred to by

1496
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:18,260
Abraham in ur what do you think now with

1497
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:19,850
all of your research that that reference

1498
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:25,010
is well so I this is and this is kind of

1499
01:09:30,910 --> 01:09:29,090
what my book is about I mean and it's a

1500
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:30,920
novel it's fiction right and the reason

1501
01:09:33,820 --> 01:09:32,210
I did that as I wanted the freedom to

1502
01:09:36,670 --> 01:09:33,830
speculate I didn't want to have to be

1503
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:36,680
tied to what I could prove what would I

1504
01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:41,090
think happened based on my research it

1505
01:09:47,290 --> 01:09:43,760
is I really believe that that the God

1506
01:09:53,230 --> 01:09:47,300
that called Abram out of or was was

1507
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,240
Enlil I believe that he at that time I

1508
01:09:57,490 --> 01:09:55,520
mean you know you look in the in the the

1509
01:09:59,230 --> 01:09:57,500
plain text of the Bible and there's over

1510
01:10:01,780 --> 01:09:59,240
and over again where the God that

1511
01:10:05,650 --> 01:10:01,790
eventually would be called Yahweh by the

1512
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:05,660
Israelites makes the point that he's the

1513
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:08,090
only God there's no other gods forgot

1514
01:10:13,150 --> 01:10:09,290
all the other gods that you ever knew

1515
01:10:15,490 --> 01:10:13,160
about before there's only me and I I

1516
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:15,500
think there are a number of ties there

1517
01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:17,450
been some really good papers that you

1518
01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:19,100
can find online written about the

1519
01:10:23,890 --> 01:10:21,620
linkages between Enlil and Yahweh you

1520
01:10:26,130 --> 01:10:23,900
know um you know Yahweh has has

1521
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:26,140
throughout the Old Testament there's a

1522
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:31,730
number of references to his preference

1523
01:10:34,770 --> 01:10:34,370
for the second child and you know in in

1524
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:34,780
Lowell

1525
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:37,449
was the second child Yahweh also if you

1526
01:10:44,459 --> 01:10:39,550
go back to the you know the pre

1527
01:10:47,549 --> 01:10:44,469
Israelite culture were Alduin anyway

1528
01:10:51,589 --> 01:10:47,559
both you know emerged into the Israelite

1529
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:51,599
culture Yahweh was also the second son

1530
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:53,650
so I think you see a lot of

1531
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:55,780
commonalities with that and and just the

1532
01:10:59,010 --> 01:10:57,130
whole thing of they're both kind of the

1533
01:11:03,120 --> 01:10:59,020
Law & Order gods you know they're gonna

1534
01:11:04,589 --> 01:11:03,130
do this they're kind of the judging you

1535
01:11:07,589 --> 01:11:04,599
know in little was the one who wanted

1536
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:07,599
you know was in the Sumerian stories of

1537
01:11:11,970 --> 01:11:10,300
the flood you know was was he didn't he

1538
01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:11,980
didn't instigate it the way the Bible

1539
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:13,900
describes Yahweh doing that but he he

1540
01:11:17,819 --> 01:11:16,090
did he was for it he was for letting

1541
01:11:19,799 --> 01:11:17,829
that happen for letting us perish

1542
01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:19,809
because you know we were causing him

1543
01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:21,940
issues so I think they're just a lot of

1544
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:25,270
parallels there so I really have

1545
01:11:29,729 --> 01:11:27,070
concluded that that was in the old it

1546
01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:29,739
was calling Abram a demurrer now that

1547
01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:31,780
has a lot of implications again because

1548
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:33,940
that moment formed three three religions

1549
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:37,210
that still you know are manifest on this

1550
01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:39,130
planet today that include about half the

1551
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:42,670
human population and and a lot of the

1552
01:11:45,810 --> 01:11:44,110
conflict that we have in our world today

1553
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:45,820
so that when I talk about the fact that

1554
01:11:49,709 --> 01:11:48,130
these these old stories are still

1555
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:49,719
playing through today's headlines I

1556
01:11:55,129 --> 01:11:51,369
really believe that I really feel like

1557
01:11:57,779 --> 01:11:55,139
these pushes and pulls in these this

1558
01:11:59,549 --> 01:11:57,789
battle you know that's going on is is

1559
01:12:01,140 --> 01:11:59,559
still tied to these things so that's

1560
01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:01,150
kind of my answer people when they ask

1561
01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:02,980
me why should I look at old books who

1562
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:04,900
cares you know it's we're in the 21st

1563
01:12:08,459 --> 01:12:06,670
century it doesn't matter it does matter

1564
01:12:10,859 --> 01:12:08,469
because it's still influencing us in my

1565
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:10,869
opinion what about the accuracies of the

1566
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,289
translations not only zachariahs but you

1567
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:16,239
know I think the University of Chicago's

1568
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:18,070
got an online database you can go and

1569
01:12:24,209 --> 01:12:21,730
just search words and and and search the

1570
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:24,219
the translations how accurate do you

1571
01:12:29,549 --> 01:12:27,520
think those are well I think the first

1572
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:29,559
thing you have to understand about

1573
01:12:35,729 --> 01:12:33,520
translating languages like this meaning

1574
01:12:41,839 --> 01:12:35,739
pictogram languages into a language like

1575
01:12:48,029 --> 01:12:45,000
there's no one I don't care how smart

1576
01:12:48,750 --> 01:12:48,039
they are I don't care how many classes

1577
01:12:51,089 --> 01:12:48,760
they took in call

1578
01:12:55,859 --> 01:12:51,099
I'm sure how many books they read that

1579
01:12:58,049 --> 01:12:55,869
can definitively say this is what this

1580
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,059
means in English I mean it's it's it's

1581
01:13:03,299 --> 01:13:01,360
it's taking an idea and kind of

1582
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:03,309
interpret into words so when he had like

1583
01:13:07,470 --> 01:13:04,719
a Michael Heizer or someone like that

1584
01:13:08,129 --> 01:13:07,480
come out and and criticize you know

1585
01:13:12,509 --> 01:13:08,139
Zachariah

1586
01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:12,519
linguist you know that it's that ever

1587
01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:14,440
existed and I don't know that he claimed

1588
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:18,190
to be I think he did grow up in his

1589
01:13:22,649 --> 01:13:20,530
upbringing he was in a culture that has

1590
01:13:24,540 --> 01:13:22,659
that that he spoke his native tongue

1591
01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:24,550
growing up was a language very similar

1592
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:27,400
to the one that that he was later

1593
01:13:33,629 --> 01:13:31,090
translating I don't think it's just

1594
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:33,639
about the bits and bytes of translating

1595
01:13:37,049 --> 01:13:35,500
and conjugating verbs and translating

1596
01:13:39,689 --> 01:13:37,059
words I think what Sitchin really

1597
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:39,699
brought to the table is is that he first

1598
01:13:42,779 --> 01:13:41,230
of all did something that a lot of

1599
01:13:44,669 --> 01:13:42,789
mainstream scholars just are not willing

1600
01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:44,679
to do in Sumeria or any of these ancient

1601
01:13:48,930 --> 01:13:46,360
cultures and that is as he did he took

1602
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:48,940
them as you know kind of a an eyewitness

1603
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:50,920
to the events in their world he said

1604
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,449
okay I'm gonna accept what they said I'm

1605
01:13:56,970 --> 01:13:54,159
not gonna say it's just a myth all right

1606
01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:56,980
right it couldn't be true right he did

1607
01:13:59,879 --> 01:13:58,449
that the second thing I think he did you

1608
01:14:01,950 --> 01:13:59,889
know really that's important is is he

1609
01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:01,960
took the information looked at it

1610
01:14:07,859 --> 01:14:04,840
through space-age eyes so as I was

1611
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:07,869
saying a minute ago if if if I was

1612
01:14:15,089 --> 01:14:12,400
trying to translate ancient Sumerian for

1613
01:14:17,009 --> 01:14:15,099
the word iPhone I'm not gonna find

1614
01:14:18,839 --> 01:14:17,019
iPhone anywhere in the ancient Sumerian

1615
01:14:19,979 --> 01:14:18,849
I mean they didn't talk about that but

1616
01:14:22,729 --> 01:14:19,989
if they were trying to describe

1617
01:14:25,140 --> 01:14:22,739
something that was similar to an iPhone

1618
01:14:26,910 --> 01:14:25,150
that's where I think you get into the

1619
01:14:29,970 --> 01:14:26,920
thing and when you get people like like

1620
01:14:32,430 --> 01:14:29,980
like dr. Keyser who or you know you know

1621
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,440
criticizing his exact translations of

1622
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:34,480
this that or something else as the

1623
01:14:39,689 --> 01:14:38,170
premise for or undermining the bigger

1624
01:14:42,029 --> 01:14:39,699
message which i think is really the

1625
01:14:44,549 --> 01:14:42,039
important message here that these people

1626
01:14:46,890 --> 01:14:44,559
are describing technology they're

1627
01:14:49,649 --> 01:14:46,900
describing things that that didn't they

1628
01:14:51,779 --> 01:14:49,659
didn't understand and I think he took

1629
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,789
some liberties probably with the actual

1630
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:53,679
language but I think he was trying to

1631
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:55,449
make the point that they were describing

1632
01:15:00,779 --> 01:14:58,239
something that was not really a matter

1633
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:00,789
of just the words in the language and

1634
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:02,330
all that makes sense or not no it

1635
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:05,930
it does and although I'm not gonna

1636
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:08,960
critique Heiser like he tends to

1637
01:15:14,350 --> 01:15:12,350
critique everybody else I have you know

1638
01:15:20,860 --> 01:15:14,360
looked at the Heiser material over the

1639
01:15:23,860 --> 01:15:20,870
years and the it's it's easy to to

1640
01:15:26,830 --> 01:15:23,870
debunk or to criticize that's that's

1641
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:26,840
it's far far far too easy but there was

1642
01:15:32,410 --> 01:15:29,990
one thing that he brought up and I don't

1643
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:32,420
want it it's his Heiser got gets under

1644
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,130
my skin he's got a very pleasant voice

1645
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:36,320
it's got a really nice way of projecting

1646
01:15:42,460 --> 01:15:39,050
himself he's got a great way of writing

1647
01:15:44,530 --> 01:15:42,470
and he's a good communicator all right

1648
01:15:47,890 --> 01:15:44,540
but I just think it deep down in his

1649
01:15:49,330 --> 01:15:47,900
soul as religious as he may be and

1650
01:15:52,990 --> 01:15:49,340
everything else and he's just a bitter

1651
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:53,000
bitter person but and Michael if you

1652
01:15:57,490 --> 01:15:55,190
ever listen to this in the future you've

1653
01:16:00,730 --> 01:15:57,500
got my email if you ever want to come on

1654
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:00,740
the show but is this he did say one

1655
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:03,710
thing that flipped me out that I'd

1656
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,040
intended to agree with and you've just

1657
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:09,440
addressed it and that is the word gold

1658
01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:12,410
okay so that that gold was never brought

1659
01:16:15,670 --> 01:16:13,880
up anywhere it's not anywhere in the

1660
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:15,680
Sumerian text it says never mentioned

1661
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:17,410
and it's such a big part of of what

1662
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:19,820
Sitchin writes about you know the gold

1663
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:21,710
that is needed for Nibiru and why they

1664
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:23,630
were here in the mining of gold gold

1665
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:26,930
gold gold gold in the north of Africa

1666
01:16:31,090 --> 01:16:29,120
gold in the south of Africa creating

1667
01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:31,100
slaves and digging and panning for gold

1668
01:16:35,980 --> 01:16:33,350
gold gold gold but nowhere is it ever

1669
01:16:38,170 --> 01:16:35,990
mentioned in the Sumerian texts so I go

1670
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:38,180
and I search the Chicago database

1671
01:16:42,970 --> 01:16:40,130
University of Chicago database and pump

1672
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:42,980
that and sure enough according to their

1673
01:16:46,900 --> 01:16:44,570
database and the way that it is

1674
01:16:49,780 --> 01:16:46,910
translated gold is never mentioned in

1675
01:16:53,620 --> 01:16:49,790
the Sumerian text now this is this is

1676
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:53,630
where now it flipped me out okay it did

1677
01:17:01,290 --> 01:16:57,440
but this is the thing it's how this is

1678
01:17:05,260 --> 01:17:01,300
not an alphabet it's not a word-for-word

1679
01:17:08,170 --> 01:17:05,270
translation thing and there is a certain

1680
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:08,180
amount of freedom here to interpretation

1681
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:11,090
and how you want to read these tax to to

1682
01:17:16,060 --> 01:17:13,610
get this translation done whatever it

1683
01:17:20,110 --> 01:17:16,070
was that was triggering

1684
01:17:22,570 --> 01:17:20,120
Sitchin to find this word gold in the

1685
01:17:26,110 --> 01:17:22,580
translation to fit into the story I

1686
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:26,120
don't know I'm not part of that but it's

1687
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,840
not like I agree with Heiser I agree

1688
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:31,760
with the University of Chicago but I

1689
01:17:37,090 --> 01:17:34,370
also agree with Sitchin it's not a

1690
01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:37,100
word-for-word letter for letter direct

1691
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,020
translation that we do today with

1692
01:17:44,740 --> 01:17:41,360
written with written languages it's not

1693
01:17:47,410 --> 01:17:44,750
there is no etymology - huh - Sumerian

1694
01:17:48,190 --> 01:17:47,420
tax right it doesn't it doesn't work

1695
01:17:52,510 --> 01:17:48,200
that way

1696
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:52,520
so it's an out clause for for sitting to

1697
01:17:56,620 --> 01:17:54,650
be sure but now I'm going to make it's

1698
01:18:00,340 --> 01:17:56,630
an out clause for the established

1699
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:00,350
mainstream as well because here's I

1700
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:02,090
think the challenge and I and I would

1701
01:18:04,990 --> 01:18:04,010
put this you know you're talking earlier

1702
01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:05,000
about this bright moment we're living

1703
01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:06,620
and by the way I love your opening

1704
01:18:09,550 --> 01:18:08,390
tonight I could have listened to you for

1705
01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:09,560
three hours tonight that would have been

1706
01:18:17,050 --> 01:18:13,910
awesome I think you know the mainstream

1707
01:18:18,970 --> 01:18:17,060
has a stake and when I say the

1708
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:18,980
mainstream I mean mainstream religion I

1709
01:18:23,230 --> 01:18:21,050
mean mainstream academia I mean

1710
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:23,240
mainstream you know science I mean the

1711
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:25,190
mainstream political establishment they

1712
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:27,770
have a stake in this history that we've

1713
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:29,810
been given the mainstream history that

1714
01:18:33,580 --> 01:18:31,970
we have they have a stake because

1715
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:33,590
they've been pitching it for a long time

1716
01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:37,070
they have a stake because there's a lot

1717
01:18:40,420 --> 01:18:39,020
to lose for all of them it's even part

1718
01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:40,430
of what someone like zecharia sitchin

1719
01:18:46,060 --> 01:18:44,150
said was correct and and what I think

1720
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:46,070
they're doing and when someone like

1721
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:48,170
Heiser and again I I agree with you I

1722
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:50,210
think he's a very smart man there are

1723
01:18:53,710 --> 01:18:51,920
other things off of this topic that I've

1724
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:53,720
heard him talk about that I agree with

1725
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:56,690
him on but I think the issue is is that

1726
01:19:00,880 --> 01:18:58,730
they're looking for a way to detract

1727
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:00,890
from what stitches from the message and

1728
01:19:04,510 --> 01:19:02,630
the idea that Sitchin was putting out

1729
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:04,520
there that hey there's something

1730
01:19:07,570 --> 01:19:06,050
different to look out here something

1731
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:07,580
important that we need to look at here

1732
01:19:12,220 --> 01:19:10,130
that's not what you've been told and and

1733
01:19:14,290 --> 01:19:12,230
I feel like and it just may be the

1734
01:19:16,450 --> 01:19:14,300
timing because of how old you know

1735
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:16,460
Heiser was when when when he came to

1736
01:19:22,060 --> 01:19:19,010
prominence but Sitchin was getting old

1737
01:19:23,260 --> 01:19:22,070
sickly and aging by the time Heiser came

1738
01:19:24,580 --> 01:19:23,270
along and did the famous you know

1739
01:19:26,710 --> 01:19:24,590
challenge of him to come on

1740
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:26,720
coast-to-coast and right right and and

1741
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:29,030
debate this right and and I feel like

1742
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:29,570
and then

1743
01:19:33,190 --> 01:19:31,370
course he passed you know and and of

1744
01:19:34,930 --> 01:19:33,200
course now it's easy because he can't

1745
01:19:36,580 --> 01:19:34,940
answer no that's right that's right and

1746
01:19:39,130 --> 01:19:36,590
and so I just I feel like there was kind

1747
01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:39,140
of this late rush to kind of you know

1748
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:41,150
stamp out everything he did and

1749
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:43,210
discredit him

1750
01:19:46,990 --> 01:19:45,440
and and you know there are other ways

1751
01:19:48,460 --> 01:19:47,000
that he's that they people have tried to

1752
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:48,470
discredit him as well but I feel like

1753
01:19:53,020 --> 01:19:50,330
it's they're kind of it's almost like

1754
01:19:54,580 --> 01:19:53,030
you write a book right and yeah someone

1755
01:19:56,650 --> 01:19:54,590
for some feedback and they say you

1756
01:19:57,850 --> 01:19:56,660
missed the comma there that's kind of

1757
01:20:00,360 --> 01:19:57,860
what I feel like it is it's like you're

1758
01:20:04,060 --> 01:20:00,370
missing the bigger point right right i

1759
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:04,070
I've I've got my own bitter you know

1760
01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:07,010
thoughts when it comes to those that

1761
01:20:12,370 --> 01:20:10,910
that want to criticize I just it takes

1762
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,380
me back and I'll say this and we're

1763
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:14,480
gonna move on but this is the truth I

1764
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:16,490
mean almost taught this at a very young

1765
01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:19,370
age and you know critics are just

1766
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:21,320
unemployed professionals right that

1767
01:20:26,410 --> 01:20:24,530
can't get a job and and all they can do

1768
01:20:29,770 --> 01:20:26,420
now because they are so bitter and

1769
01:20:35,050 --> 01:20:29,780
jealous of those that are out there that

1770
01:20:38,110 --> 01:20:35,060
have formed their own reality made a

1771
01:20:39,940 --> 01:20:38,120
change their worlds for themselves you

1772
01:20:42,430 --> 01:20:39,950
know when it went a step further and

1773
01:20:46,030 --> 01:20:42,440
maybe established a name but certainly

1774
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:46,040
are being spoken about critics they fund

1775
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:48,530
it they don't like that they're bitter

1776
01:20:51,730 --> 01:20:50,450
right they're just bitter and so they

1777
01:20:54,700 --> 01:20:51,740
just want to bring that person down

1778
01:20:58,270 --> 01:20:54,710
instead of doing something real and

1779
01:21:00,430 --> 01:20:58,280
constructive on their own go and blaze

1780
01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:00,440
your own path you don't like the way

1781
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:02,750
somebody is blaze their path well then

1782
01:21:06,970 --> 01:21:04,610
go and blaze your own but don't blaze

1783
01:21:09,490 --> 01:21:06,980
your own by criticizing somebody else

1784
01:21:12,130 --> 01:21:09,500
and I just recognize that from the word

1785
01:21:15,310 --> 01:21:12,140
go I just don't appreciate that I've got

1786
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:15,320
friends friends now today that that do

1787
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:17,720
that and trust me they hate that phone

1788
01:21:24,580 --> 01:21:21,290
call for me what are you doing what are

1789
01:21:26,860 --> 01:21:24,590
you doing shut up you know just shut up

1790
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,870
shut up shut up so anyway but there's

1791
01:21:29,980 --> 01:21:28,400
something else about sit you know I'm

1792
01:21:32,590 --> 01:21:29,990
gonna open up your eyes here I've never

1793
01:21:34,420 --> 01:21:32,600
talked about this before on the show but

1794
01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:34,430
this is a great opportunity to do this

1795
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:37,990
I'm not gonna I'm not going to blow

1796
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:40,130
reveal my source I'm not going to blow

1797
01:21:46,990 --> 01:21:43,250
my cover on this but I had

1798
01:21:52,690 --> 01:21:47,000
a friend a researcher of prominence of

1799
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,700
extreme prominence say to me that in a

1800
01:21:58,030 --> 01:21:54,800
private conversation with sitchin

1801
01:22:00,130 --> 01:21:58,040
private he said to him and the reason

1802
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:00,140
why I got this information is because we

1803
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:02,030
were talking and I said you know how did

1804
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:07,010
Sitchin get all of this volumes book his

1805
01:22:12,340 --> 01:22:09,530
books were not small right it wasn't the

1806
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:12,350
weekly reader his books were insanely

1807
01:22:18,910 --> 01:22:15,410
detailed complex comprehensive

1808
01:22:21,850 --> 01:22:18,920
technically written works all of them

1809
01:22:24,130 --> 01:22:21,860
and where did these volumes of

1810
01:22:26,290 --> 01:22:24,140
information cuz it's too much for one

1811
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:26,300
book for one lifetime but this guy who

1812
01:22:31,210 --> 01:22:28,910
write was writing write writing writing

1813
01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:31,220
anything goes okay this is what Sitchin

1814
01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:33,340
said to me I asked him the same question

1815
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:36,260
how are you getting all of this

1816
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,170
information it's too much too involved

1817
01:22:46,810 --> 01:22:42,080
too detailed to come out of these texts

1818
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:46,820
and Sitchin said to him I was told

1819
01:22:55,330 --> 01:22:52,850
everything really from who right

1820
01:22:55,870 --> 01:22:55,340
one day I'll talk about that and then he

1821
01:23:00,600 --> 01:22:55,880
died

1822
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:00,610
so is there the possibility that

1823
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:03,290
combined with the Sumerian text he was

1824
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:05,690
told what they were actually stating so

1825
01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:08,450
he was able to it's like the rosetta

1826
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:11,540
stone right you know the go-between

1827
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:13,730
telling him what the text actually meant

1828
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:15,770
he was able to go back and and pull the

1829
01:23:22,510 --> 01:23:19,490
stuff out combined with possibly a

1830
01:23:24,490 --> 01:23:22,520
higher source was telling him I don't

1831
01:23:26,290 --> 01:23:24,500
know if it was in a dream state I don't

1832
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:26,300
know if it was ghost writing I don't

1833
01:23:31,810 --> 01:23:28,970
know if it was channeling I don't know

1834
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:31,820
if it was a download through a plasma

1835
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,530
beam in his bedroom in the middle of the

1836
01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:36,080
night I don't know any of that but it is

1837
01:23:41,980 --> 01:23:38,980
interesting how he did say that at a

1838
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:41,990
private moment with somebody and it blew

1839
01:23:47,140 --> 01:23:44,090
my mind it blew my mind and it kind of

1840
01:23:50,710 --> 01:23:47,150
answered some questions like this thing

1841
01:23:53,620 --> 01:23:50,720
with the word gold you know just maybe

1842
01:23:55,690 --> 01:23:53,630
right and then he was able to put it all

1843
01:23:57,730 --> 01:23:55,700
together because there's one other thing

1844
01:24:00,600 --> 01:23:57,740
I want to touch upon it and then we'll

1845
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:00,610
expand on this after the break it's the

1846
01:24:10,510 --> 01:24:06,370
not only the question of Nibiru and its

1847
01:24:13,540 --> 01:24:10,520
reality or not but when you talk about

1848
01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:13,550
and start to assemble our solar system

1849
01:24:20,440 --> 01:24:16,910
our Moon Mars Neptune you know of course

1850
01:24:22,570 --> 01:24:20,450
earth and how they are situated now in

1851
01:24:24,340 --> 01:24:22,580
the solar system and and the asteroid

1852
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:24,350
belts and the debris that's out there

1853
01:24:30,490 --> 01:24:25,730
and the Kuiper belt

1854
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,500
all of this is unexplained in the

1855
01:24:33,970 --> 01:24:32,000
scientific community they don't know

1856
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:33,980
they can't explain how earth was formed

1857
01:24:39,250 --> 01:24:35,930
they can't do that they don't know where

1858
01:24:41,710 --> 01:24:39,260
the moon came from can't know it or any

1859
01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:41,720
other planet for that matter and and

1860
01:24:47,710 --> 01:24:43,640
what makes them they cannot do it but

1861
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:47,720
Sitchin was pretty bold in the way that

1862
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:49,490
he described everything with planets

1863
01:24:55,870 --> 01:24:52,610
colliding and in different positions in

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orbit and and moons and planetary bodies

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and debris fields and and what that it

1866
01:25:03,130 --> 01:25:00,410
was a pretty extreme thing but I gotta

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tell you and I mean this citchen did a

1868
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:05,240
better job of explaining the creation of

1869
01:25:14,140 --> 01:25:07,850
our solar system than any scientist out

1870
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:14,150
there absolutely let's go ahead I heard

1871
01:25:21,010 --> 01:25:18,410
you drink but but as you that was a loud

1872
01:25:23,740 --> 01:25:21,020
gulp by the way that went out over the

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01:25:26,410 --> 01:25:23,750
ether but but don't you agree with that

1874
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,420
I there there is no satisfying

1875
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:29,120
explanation on how everything was

1876
01:25:34,750 --> 01:25:32,330
created here Sitchin certainly pretty

1877
01:25:39,070 --> 01:25:34,760
boldly put it out there and it's kind of

1878
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,080
hard to to knock his ideas down well we

1879
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:41,360
talked about a few minutes ago about you

1880
01:25:44,980 --> 01:25:43,040
know maybe I don't want to say the

1881
01:25:46,750 --> 01:25:44,990
darker side but maybe the side that's

1882
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,760
kind of working against us they what I

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01:25:49,690 --> 01:25:48,320
would call the in their lights and I and

1884
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:49,700
I think that's kind of in line with what

1885
01:25:54,910 --> 01:25:52,070
Sitchin had said right remember there

1886
01:25:56,710 --> 01:25:54,920
was also the brother and the side of the

1887
01:25:58,540 --> 01:25:56,720
Anunnaki and perhaps other you know

1888
01:26:02,530 --> 01:25:58,550
extraterrestrials that has an interest

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in helping us and and did so you know

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numerous times throughout from the

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various texts I mean there's there's you

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01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:08,750
know numerous instances were even in the

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01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:09,650
Bible were

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01:26:14,710 --> 01:26:12,800
yeah it gets er twisted if you follow

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01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:14,720
the whole in legal thing as Yahweh then

1896
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:16,910
you realize that the person that the

1897
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entity that's trying to help us in

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Genesis maybe you know by giving us

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01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:22,700
information which oddly got the God

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didn't want us to have I mean you know

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it's clear that someone is trying to

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help us along well most other people are

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01:26:33,940 --> 01:26:31,820
trying to make this very uh you know non

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01:26:36,850 --> 01:26:33,950
transparent very difficult for us to

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01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:36,860
unravel so I you know I I think that's

1906
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:38,450
entirely possible that he was getting

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some sort of information from somewhere

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01:26:47,250 --> 01:26:43,640
now we're gonna we're gonna head towards

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a break when we come back let's start to

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let's go back with the origins of the

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Anunnaki from the beginning those

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01:26:58,930 --> 01:26:56,750
timelines we'll work our way forward we

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can obviously get everything tied

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together by the top of the hour to the

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creation of of man and how that fit into

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the myth and also in the timeline of it

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all let's do that when we come back our

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guest tonight is ray Davis and as

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promised this is an evening of Anunnaki

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I'm your host Jimmy Church follow me on

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twitter at GH radio this is fade to

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Jenny Church on the game change in

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church this is a revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black

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our guest tonight ray Davis author

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talking about his two books and well

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Anunnaki Awakening revelation and the

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power to be you 416 empowering thoughts

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for daily life and what I wanted to jump

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01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:26,520
into now ray is this aside from the

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01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:29,760
complete story and that includes the

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money for gold and atmospheres of Nibiru

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and protecting planets and and stuff the

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01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:36,960
one thing that I find the most

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01:32:45,770 --> 01:32:41,040
intriguing about the entire story is the

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01:32:49,550 --> 01:32:45,780
creation of man and the timeline of this

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01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:49,560
look I know it is an extreme thought for

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01:32:56,780 --> 01:32:52,920
for many - to wrap their head around but

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01:32:59,870 --> 01:32:56,790
I firmly believe that homo sapien and us

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01:33:01,160 --> 01:32:59,880
today we have been here for a hundred

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01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:01,170
fifty thousand maybe two hundred

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01:33:07,399 --> 01:33:04,320
thousand years there's some timelines

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01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:07,409
now that may push that back ten or

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01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,130
twenty thousand years but the fact is

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01:33:17,530 --> 01:33:14,159
that we just appeared and the story in

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01:33:20,060 --> 01:33:17,540
the way that it fits with the Anunnaki

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01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:20,070
answers a lot of questions and it's a

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01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:22,320
very simple way of applying this it's an

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01:33:28,340 --> 01:33:26,250
extreme view but is that one of the

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01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:28,350
things that you have taken away from the

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01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:32,010
story absolutely you know I'm not even

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01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:34,290
sure it's an extreme view it's extreme

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01:33:36,919 --> 01:33:35,520
compared to what other people have had

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01:33:39,399 --> 01:33:36,929
to compare it to in the past

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01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:39,409
and I mean we have you know two

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01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:41,610
mainstream views right that are that are

2029
01:33:45,260 --> 01:33:43,440
always at battle with each other it's a

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01:33:47,209 --> 01:33:45,270
zero-sum game no one can give any ground

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01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:47,219
you know it's the the creation/evolution

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01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:49,860
thing right and I you know I really

2033
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:51,840
missed the light Lloyd Pye because he

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01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:53,760
was so good at describing this and I

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01:34:00,979 --> 01:33:57,920
posted something in the FT bf to be

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01:34:02,180 --> 01:34:00,989
hashtag here a moment ago that I that

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01:34:04,189 --> 01:34:02,190
I've used before to kind of talk about

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01:34:06,919 --> 01:34:04,199
you know this intervention 3 this idea

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01:34:10,140 --> 01:34:06,929
that we were we were mixed I'm you know

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01:34:12,370 --> 01:34:10,150
if if you look

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01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:12,380
and I think every reward ever watched

2042
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:13,970
that show where they put people out in

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01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:15,650
the woods you know a couple or whatever

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01:34:21,340 --> 01:34:17,870
and they have to survive for 20 days you

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01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:21,350
know with with nothing if you look at

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01:34:26,590 --> 01:34:22,780
this guy in the picture that I posted

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01:34:30,940 --> 01:34:26,600
you know he has poor eyesight he his

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01:34:32,650 --> 01:34:30,950
skin cuts easily his skin burns he you

2049
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:32,660
know has no hair to her to keep him warm

2050
01:34:40,540 --> 01:34:36,130
this sort of thing this guy did not evil

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01:34:42,670 --> 01:34:40,550
for any period of time without without

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01:34:46,660 --> 01:34:42,680
the tools of civilization we were built

2053
01:34:49,210 --> 01:34:46,670
for civilization and so I there's no

2054
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:49,220
question that I mean if you even hear

2055
01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:50,690
mainstream science talk about how we

2056
01:34:54,780 --> 01:34:53,360
have modern humans emerged suddenly and

2057
01:34:57,940 --> 01:34:54,790
they can't figure out how that happened

2058
01:35:00,160 --> 01:34:57,950
it's pretty obvious there was a more you

2059
01:35:02,260 --> 01:35:00,170
know primitive being here that you know

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01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:02,270
I'm I'm agnostic as far as if it was

2061
01:35:05,770 --> 01:35:04,010
evolution creation however you want to

2062
01:35:10,260 --> 01:35:05,780
say that being got here right and you

2063
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:10,270
have these gods who came and you know

2064
01:35:15,670 --> 01:35:13,010
mix themselves with us and made a more

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01:35:17,950 --> 01:35:15,680
advanced being there's no doubt in my

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01:35:21,010 --> 01:35:17,960
mind that that is is is not only

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01:35:22,780 --> 01:35:21,020
feasible but probable because you look

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01:35:25,390 --> 01:35:22,790
at this being he couldn't have evolved

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01:35:27,970 --> 01:35:25,400
if he did evolve you know from a common

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01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:27,980
ancestor then you know I guess I would

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01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:30,110
asked why and I've had these discussions

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01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:32,510
online and it usually starts a Twitter

2073
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:35,030
fight or something but you know we've

2074
01:35:40,510 --> 01:35:38,170
gone to the moon we built skyscrapers

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01:35:42,340 --> 01:35:40,520
you know we've done all these things

2076
01:35:45,340 --> 01:35:42,350
while the other branches of that

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01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:45,350
supposed a tree are still basically

2078
01:35:50,410 --> 01:35:47,090
living very similar to how that common

2079
01:35:52,420 --> 01:35:50,420
ancestor lid week we got some sort of a

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01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:52,430
boot some sort of a jump start it makes

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01:35:57,190 --> 01:35:54,560
total sense and when Sitchin comes along

2082
01:36:01,120 --> 01:35:57,200
with this idea that our essence was

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01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:01,130
mixed with with a more advanced being

2084
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:04,130
that fits the bill of what even science

2085
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:05,810
is saying happened that we emerged

2086
01:36:11,740 --> 01:36:09,890
suddenly we're unprecedented we've shot

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01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:11,750
forward from there in a way that no

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01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:13,130
other animal in this planet

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01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:16,190
I'm has done so it all fits together for

2090
01:36:23,529 --> 01:36:19,550
me yeah and Lloyd Pye and I couldn't

2091
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,539
agree with you more he's the one person

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01:36:28,569 --> 01:36:25,760
that I didn't get a chance to interview

2093
01:36:33,759 --> 01:36:28,579
and just missed him too as well I mean

2094
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:33,769
just by weeks but he does sum it up so

2095
01:36:43,149 --> 01:36:37,610
so so well and elegantly too but there's

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01:36:44,770 --> 01:36:43,159
one point that Lloyd makes that and I

2097
01:36:48,009 --> 01:36:44,780
have gotten into so many debates about

2098
01:36:50,919 --> 01:36:48,019
this but here we have homo sapien with

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01:36:55,299 --> 01:36:50,929
46 chromosomes pairs primates have 48

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01:36:59,770 --> 01:36:55,309
and but yet we advanced and blew past

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01:37:01,689 --> 01:36:59,780
them with we should have had 56 58 60

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01:37:05,020 --> 01:37:01,699
you know chromosome pairs that would

2103
01:37:08,799 --> 01:37:05,030
make sense right and and but but we

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01:37:11,140 --> 01:37:08,809
don't we have 46 so you can't even

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01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:11,150
really compare us to two primates

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01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:13,760
because of just that reason there and

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01:37:18,850 --> 01:37:17,090
evolving off of them doesn't make any

2108
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:18,860
sense there isn't anything really to

2109
01:37:26,049 --> 01:37:22,010
relate us to primates other than you

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01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:26,059
know 10 fingers 10 toes and and we kind

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01:37:32,969 --> 01:37:29,570
of look similar kind of but all of the

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01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:32,979
other primates were superior to us

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01:37:39,129 --> 01:37:36,710
strength right so many things that

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01:37:40,689 --> 01:37:39,139
vision and hearing and and so many

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01:37:44,370 --> 01:37:40,699
things that made them superior to us

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01:37:47,140 --> 01:37:44,380
they can kill us very easily so can

2117
01:37:49,660 --> 01:37:47,150
lions and tigers and elephants and

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01:37:51,759 --> 01:37:49,670
hippopotamus and sharks and things that

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01:37:55,930 --> 01:37:51,769
we just can't compete with but all of

2120
01:37:58,899 --> 01:37:55,940
them that should have dominated the

2121
01:38:02,080 --> 01:37:58,909
species on this planet have not evolved

2122
01:38:04,180 --> 01:38:02,090
nobody in millions and millions and

2123
01:38:06,609 --> 01:38:04,190
millions and millions of years they are

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01:38:10,589 --> 01:38:06,619
exactly the same we are the only ones

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01:38:14,770 --> 01:38:10,599
out of nowhere that can laugh cry talk

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01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:14,780
humor language communication and and

2127
01:38:18,910 --> 01:38:16,369
turn around and do the things that we

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01:38:22,810 --> 01:38:18,920
have done when we didn't have any of

2129
01:38:25,660 --> 01:38:22,820
that before we popped up and it's it's

2130
01:38:28,689 --> 01:38:25,670
it's a strange thing to look at it is a

2131
01:38:30,969 --> 01:38:28,699
truly a miracle it's a phenomenon unless

2132
01:38:33,939 --> 01:38:30,979
it was deliberate now if it was

2133
01:38:35,950 --> 01:38:33,949
deliberate who did it right and that God

2134
01:38:38,110 --> 01:38:35,960
that creator whoever it is

2135
01:38:40,750 --> 01:38:38,120
I don't know but it seems like they had

2136
01:38:43,570 --> 01:38:40,760
the intelligence to go in and snip snip

2137
01:38:45,100 --> 01:38:43,580
our DNA and alter us to create us and

2138
01:38:47,770 --> 01:38:45,110
make us what we are today

2139
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:47,780
that's the only way that we possibly can

2140
01:38:54,010 --> 01:38:50,719
look at it and then Annunaki fits all of

2141
01:38:55,510 --> 01:38:54,020
the criteria to do just that and I get

2142
01:38:57,070 --> 01:38:55,520
into this in the book and as I said it's

2143
01:38:59,500 --> 01:38:57,080
a novel it's fiction but I did a lot of

2144
01:39:01,360 --> 01:38:59,510
research and and you know you the reason

2145
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:01,370
we have two fewer chromosomes than the

2146
01:39:05,220 --> 01:39:03,290
other primates is because our second

2147
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,230
third from ozone are fused together and

2148
01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:07,520
there's a I go into some detail in the

2149
01:39:10,030 --> 01:39:08,450
book I've even had a couple of

2150
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:10,040
scientists who read the book who have

2151
01:39:14,890 --> 01:39:11,450
said Wow how did you know that it's like

2152
01:39:16,300 --> 01:39:14,900
I researched it right but but they're

2153
01:39:18,610 --> 01:39:16,310
merged together they're fused together

2154
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,620
now the argument is is supposedly that

2155
01:39:21,700 --> 01:39:20,000
that could happen in evolution

2156
01:39:23,410 --> 01:39:21,710
theoretically but it would be really

2157
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:23,420
hard to get at the way it is and if you

2158
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:25,489
look at what the 2nd and 3rd chromosomes

2159
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:29,030
are it's all those things you just

2160
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:30,800
talked about all those advantages we

2161
01:39:36,430 --> 01:39:34,489
have are tied to those to those to that

2162
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:36,440
chromosome that 2nd and 3rd chromosome

2163
01:39:40,030 --> 01:39:38,239
and and you know we have what's called

2164
01:39:41,530 --> 01:39:40,040
the jump DNA right all the stuff they're

2165
01:39:44,650 --> 01:39:41,540
not sure what it is and what it does

2166
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:44,660
well I would argue that is and I talked

2167
01:39:49,330 --> 01:39:46,310
about this in the book that that's how

2168
01:39:50,410 --> 01:39:49,340
they adjust the level of hybrids that

2169
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:50,420
we're talking about you know I think

2170
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,010
we're a certain level of hybrid but I

2171
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:54,560
think that there are other entities and

2172
01:39:58,570 --> 01:39:56,090
we may not get to it tonight but I mean

2173
01:40:01,450 --> 01:39:58,580
you know I'm related to the running of

2174
01:40:03,340 --> 01:40:01,460
this planet and maybe the elite classes

2175
01:40:05,530 --> 01:40:03,350
not just now but even going back into

2176
01:40:07,300 --> 01:40:05,540
history maybe a higher level of hybrid

2177
01:40:09,220 --> 01:40:07,310
and I think they were able to tune it up

2178
01:40:11,110 --> 01:40:09,230
using what we're calling junk DNA by

2179
01:40:13,090 --> 01:40:11,120
turning in little pieces of that on and

2180
01:40:17,860 --> 01:40:13,100
making different parts of the RNA

2181
01:40:23,459 --> 01:40:17,870
manifest as physical form so it's

2182
01:40:28,270 --> 01:40:23,469
intriguing now when we were created did

2183
01:40:30,820 --> 01:40:28,280
did the Anunnaki modify us we'd have

2184
01:40:34,350 --> 01:40:30,830
some form of us was already on this

2185
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:34,360
planet or did they bring us with them I

2186
01:40:39,370 --> 01:40:37,250
believe something was already on this

2187
01:40:40,930 --> 01:40:39,380
planet and and I also happened by the

2188
01:40:42,580 --> 01:40:40,940
way to believe with him along with

2189
01:40:45,490 --> 01:40:42,590
Graham Hancock and others that there

2190
01:40:47,260 --> 01:40:45,500
there are perhaps even more ancient in

2191
01:40:49,689 --> 01:40:47,270
this go around we have right now

2192
01:40:50,969 --> 01:40:49,699
indigenous advanced

2193
01:40:53,169 --> 01:40:50,979
Asians that have been on earth

2194
01:40:54,729 --> 01:40:53,179
previously right I think we're finding

2195
01:40:56,350 --> 01:40:54,739
with both I clicked happy in a number of

2196
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,360
other places we're finding evidence of

2197
01:41:00,969 --> 01:40:59,119
those things right now but for this

2198
01:41:01,540 --> 01:41:00,979
go-around that we're talking about right

2199
01:41:03,009 --> 01:41:01,550
now

2200
01:41:05,229 --> 01:41:03,019
of course this gets into the stuff that

2201
01:41:07,209 --> 01:41:05,239
Michael Cremo talks about about you know

2202
01:41:09,009 --> 01:41:07,219
devolution and evolution and the whole

2203
01:41:11,379 --> 01:41:09,019
Jain and can do you know vision of this

2204
01:41:12,580 --> 01:41:11,389
cycle that goes on where things evolving

2205
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:12,590
and that you're destroyed and they're

2206
01:41:22,410 --> 01:41:18,320
recreated right my my thought is is that

2207
01:41:24,819 --> 01:41:22,420
these beings were here meaning they'd be

2208
01:41:26,290 --> 01:41:24,829
the hominids or whatever you would like

2209
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:26,300
to call them that we're here and that

2210
01:41:30,339 --> 01:41:28,610
the Anunnaki came and merged their

2211
01:41:32,699 --> 01:41:30,349
technology and I think that's what the

2212
01:41:34,899 --> 01:41:32,709
with the text even in its plainest

2213
01:41:36,549 --> 01:41:34,909
regardless of who's translating it I

2214
01:41:39,790 --> 01:41:36,559
think that's what it's saying is that

2215
01:41:41,770 --> 01:41:39,800
they mix themselves with us to get with

2216
01:41:45,250 --> 01:41:41,780
with I keep saying with us with what

2217
01:41:47,799 --> 01:41:45,260
they found here to get a creature that

2218
01:41:49,959 --> 01:41:47,809
was just smart enough to do the things

2219
01:41:51,399 --> 01:41:49,969
that they didn't want to do but not

2220
01:41:53,620 --> 01:41:51,409
really smart enough to get onto the game

2221
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:53,630
of how I think the planet continues to

2222
01:42:04,199 --> 01:41:59,199
this day to be wrong now and what about

2223
01:42:08,199 --> 01:42:04,209
the the question of this they were

2224
01:42:09,699 --> 01:42:08,209
creating us just like he just said to to

2225
01:42:13,959 --> 01:42:09,709
be smart enough to understand the

2226
01:42:16,540 --> 01:42:13,969
instructions right go and mine gold and

2227
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:16,550
don't argue with us smart enough to do

2228
01:42:24,189 --> 01:42:21,679
that but not smart enough to do a slave

2229
01:42:27,939 --> 01:42:24,199
uprising right and fight the Anunnaki

2230
01:42:30,879 --> 01:42:27,949
back because what I find intriguing here

2231
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:30,889
is that apparently and I want you to

2232
01:42:35,500 --> 01:42:33,440
address this there were only hundreds of

2233
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:35,510
Anunnaki on this planet there weren't

2234
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,570
millions but yet there was a larger

2235
01:42:44,350 --> 01:42:40,880
amount of us created as slaves

2236
01:42:47,410 --> 01:42:44,360
so why didn't we do an uprising you know

2237
01:42:51,609 --> 01:42:47,420
that award did the Annunaki split before

2238
01:42:55,899 --> 01:42:51,619
that was possible well I think and again

2239
01:42:57,879 --> 01:42:55,909
I I pull a lot of these strings in the

2240
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:57,889
book and I get into some of this and you

2241
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:01,119
know the main character that is kind of

2242
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,530
driving the the rebel a

2243
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:05,119
of all of this going on that's why it's

2244
01:43:11,709 --> 01:43:08,650
Anunnaki revelation is is inanna so

2245
01:43:15,850 --> 01:43:11,719
she's kind of on the inky ight side and

2246
01:43:17,979 --> 01:43:15,860
she's realized that she has to expose

2247
01:43:20,169 --> 01:43:17,989
this and she in the story in my story

2248
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:20,179
she's dying and she wants to get this

2249
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:22,250
exposed because she's always had a kind

2250
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:24,050
of a soft spot for Humanity and wants to

2251
01:43:30,430 --> 01:43:26,570
expose all of this that's that's going

2252
01:43:32,979 --> 01:43:30,440
on I think that that that they were very

2253
01:43:34,930 --> 01:43:32,989
brutal with us to be honest I mean look

2254
01:43:37,810 --> 01:43:34,940
at all these ancient cultures begin with

2255
01:43:40,510 --> 01:43:37,820
the words fear of God that phrase comes

2256
01:43:44,260 --> 01:43:40,520
up all over the place I think I think I

2257
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:44,270
think people who who rebelled or dealt

2258
01:43:48,580 --> 01:43:46,489
with harshly let's just put it that way

2259
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:48,590
and people were afraid to rebelled

2260
01:43:53,799 --> 01:43:51,110
against them and and and when the

2261
01:43:56,169 --> 01:43:53,809
Anunnaki pulled away as a lot of people

2262
01:43:58,209 --> 01:43:56,179
believe or I would say or went away as

2263
01:44:01,029 --> 01:43:58,219
LA people labor or pulled into the

2264
01:44:03,580 --> 01:44:01,039
background as I would argue and left you

2265
01:44:06,189 --> 01:44:03,590
know human hybrids in in charge I think

2266
01:44:08,529 --> 01:44:06,199
that's why we still have to this day

2267
01:44:12,010 --> 01:44:08,539
this idea of religion being used as a

2268
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:12,020
fear factor to keep humanity in control

2269
01:44:16,209 --> 01:44:13,730
I think that goes way back to what the

2270
01:44:18,370 --> 01:44:16,219
Anunnaki did and the fact that we know

2271
01:44:21,069 --> 01:44:18,380
we're gonna die right and and there's

2272
01:44:22,180 --> 01:44:21,079
that fear of dying I think and they're

2273
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:22,190
we're gonna be judged and all these

2274
01:44:26,529 --> 01:44:24,110
things that are all these themes that

2275
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:26,539
still go through our culture today keep

2276
01:44:32,319 --> 01:44:29,570
us in mind we're afraid you know and

2277
01:44:34,839 --> 01:44:32,329
we're not given information to to battle

2278
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:34,849
that fear because we're not told what's

2279
01:44:38,379 --> 01:44:36,170
really going on why we're really here

2280
01:44:41,649 --> 01:44:38,389
how we really got here well and then

2281
01:44:44,979 --> 01:44:41,659
there's I have another conundrum right a

2282
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:44,989
serious conundrum with this because I

2283
01:44:50,529 --> 01:44:47,840
believe that this is a very strong

2284
01:44:52,359 --> 01:44:50,539
possibility on how we were placed on

2285
01:44:54,700 --> 01:44:52,369
this planet and I'm talking about the

2286
01:44:57,580 --> 01:44:54,710
Anunnaki but if their scientists were so

2287
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:57,590
advanced and so brilliant and we're able

2288
01:45:05,950 --> 01:45:01,360
to do things like fuse the chromosomes

2289
01:45:09,700 --> 01:45:05,960
pairs together and and create us and do

2290
01:45:12,549 --> 01:45:09,710
all of that snip snip on DNA is a crazy

2291
01:45:15,609 --> 01:45:12,559
technology right and to create us and I

2292
01:45:17,260 --> 01:45:15,619
agree but yet there's all of the

2293
01:45:21,290 --> 01:45:17,270
problems with our D

2294
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:21,300
and our genetics that are there that we

2295
01:45:27,290 --> 01:45:24,960
inherit that could have been fixed why

2296
01:45:29,660 --> 01:45:27,300
did they make did they deliberately make

2297
01:45:34,250 --> 01:45:29,670
sure that we had you know a couple of

2298
01:45:37,130 --> 01:45:34,260
thousand diseases and problems that that

2299
01:45:39,860 --> 01:45:37,140
are there today but that aren't in other

2300
01:45:41,330 --> 01:45:39,870
species on this planet apps and that

2301
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:41,340
that last thing you just said is really

2302
01:45:45,370 --> 01:45:43,170
important Lloyd Lloyd Pye used to talk

2303
01:45:47,810 --> 01:45:45,380
about this you know he said if you're

2304
01:45:50,900 --> 01:45:47,820
and I think that what's the motivation

2305
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:50,910
for them to make us perfect and healthy

2306
01:45:54,860 --> 01:45:53,520
and well right I mean if it first they

2307
01:45:56,810 --> 01:45:54,870
don't want they don't want a threat to

2308
01:45:58,100 --> 01:45:56,820
them they want an uprising so you know

2309
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:58,110
we have to constantly deal with our

2310
01:46:01,520 --> 01:45:59,520
health because of all these things and

2311
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:01,530
second if you're making a slave I mean

2312
01:46:05,450 --> 01:46:03,330
almost a quote from Lloyd Pye back you

2313
01:46:07,490 --> 01:46:05,460
know if you're making a slave you really

2314
01:46:09,020 --> 01:46:07,500
don't care right you don't care if you

2315
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:09,030
get it exactly right they just wanted

2316
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:10,290
something that would survive you know

2317
01:46:14,510 --> 01:46:12,210
because the story is is they tried and

2318
01:46:16,220 --> 01:46:14,520
tried and tried to get this right and

2319
01:46:17,660 --> 01:46:16,230
only they hadn't they had ones that came

2320
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:17,670
out they couldn't talk they had ones

2321
01:46:20,150 --> 01:46:18,810
that came out they weren't you know

2322
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:20,160
right in a number of different ways

2323
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:22,920
until they finally got us if if we

2324
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:25,290
survived and we could reproduce and and

2325
01:46:27,740 --> 01:46:26,730
get what they wanted that's all they

2326
01:46:30,410 --> 01:46:27,750
were really looking for at least

2327
01:46:32,930 --> 01:46:30,420
initially so there wasn't really an

2328
01:46:34,459 --> 01:46:32,940
incentive to to do state of the art it

2329
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,469
was boy just get something that works

2330
01:46:39,709 --> 01:46:36,239
basically right don't let the perfect be

2331
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:39,719
the the enemy of the good sort of do you

2332
01:46:47,209 --> 01:46:43,050
think that the Anunnaki are still here

2333
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:47,219
in some form absolutely every time I

2334
01:46:50,780 --> 01:46:49,199
watch ancient aliens you know that the

2335
01:46:52,340 --> 01:46:50,790
famous questions at the beginning and

2336
01:46:53,780 --> 01:46:52,350
the last one is you know will they ever

2337
01:46:56,030 --> 01:46:53,790
come back I would say how do we know

2338
01:46:58,370 --> 01:46:56,040
they ever left right and and i think

2339
01:47:00,110 --> 01:46:58,380
even Sitchin you know kind of kind of

2340
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:00,120
said that that he thought they left and

2341
01:47:04,220 --> 01:47:01,530
and that there's there's evidence of

2342
01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:04,230
that what I believe has happened Jimmy

2343
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:05,670
and this probably is a whole nother

2344
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:08,610
conversation for another night but III

2345
01:47:12,740 --> 01:47:10,410
think in the book I talk about what I

2346
01:47:14,260 --> 01:47:12,750
call earth Inc that the Anunnaki are

2347
01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:14,270
still kind of running things from afar

2348
01:47:18,770 --> 01:47:17,550
through what we might call in our modern

2349
01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:18,780
terms what I call in the book of the

2350
01:47:21,950 --> 01:47:20,880
cadre what we might call the Cabal or

2351
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:21,960
whatever you want to call them here on

2352
01:47:30,570 --> 01:47:27,090
earth that that the structures that keep

2353
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:30,580
humanity limited that keep us

2354
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:32,650
face to the face to the ground knees on

2355
01:47:36,210 --> 01:47:34,960
the ground not looking to the stars not

2356
01:47:39,450 --> 01:47:36,220
taking our right what I would call our

2357
01:47:43,740 --> 01:47:39,460
rightful place in the galaxy among the

2358
01:47:47,460 --> 01:47:43,750
other sentient beings is is all about

2359
01:47:49,470 --> 01:47:47,470
this this paradigm that was created way

2360
01:47:51,290 --> 01:47:49,480
back then and continues to be pushed

2361
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:51,300
through all of our institutions today

2362
01:47:59,040 --> 01:47:55,210
that that keeps us limited and I think

2363
01:48:01,050 --> 01:47:59,050
that's by design and I think it's so I I

2364
01:48:04,110 --> 01:48:01,060
don't think they ever left I think they

2365
01:48:05,730 --> 01:48:04,120
they pulled back and if you even go into

2366
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:05,740
like Joseph Campbell's work and things

2367
01:48:12,150 --> 01:48:08,170
like that you you see where you have

2368
01:48:15,480 --> 01:48:12,160
these ancient cults in in the Near East

2369
01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:15,490
where every so often related to the

2370
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:17,710
cycles of the of the solar system and

2371
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,610
things like that whole quartz king's

2372
01:48:27,170 --> 01:48:23,920
horses all the guards all the whole

2373
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:27,180
court was killed and buried together and

2374
01:48:32,580 --> 01:48:30,730
and and and and a new a new king was

2375
01:48:34,290 --> 01:48:32,590
chosen that acting and I think initially

2376
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:34,300
what I surmise in the book is that

2377
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:36,400
initially those sorts of safeguards were

2378
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:38,050
to put in place so there wouldn't be any

2379
01:48:42,210 --> 01:48:39,970
rebellion once the Anunnaki pulled back

2380
01:48:43,710 --> 01:48:42,220
from some Kings getting the idea that

2381
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:43,720
they might try to do things on their own

2382
01:48:50,460 --> 01:48:47,410
right I think eventually there was some

2383
01:48:52,050 --> 01:48:50,470
balance struck to where and in the

2384
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:52,060
Anunnaki are getting what they want out

2385
01:48:56,220 --> 01:48:54,400
of earth and and and I would argue that

2386
01:48:58,650 --> 01:48:56,230
they're not monolithic right I think

2387
01:49:00,540 --> 01:48:58,660
there are Anunnaki who as in my book

2388
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:00,550
Anana and Enki we're trying to help us

2389
01:49:04,260 --> 01:49:03,040
you're trying to expose this who have

2390
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,270
done the number of things through our

2391
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:06,880
history to try to try to help uncover

2392
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:09,760
this to us but there's a very strong

2393
01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:13,360
push a very strong cover to everything

2394
01:49:16,980 --> 01:49:15,310
that's that's keeping this from blowing

2395
01:49:18,090 --> 01:49:16,990
off but I agree with what you said

2396
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:18,100
earlier in the show that we're getting

2397
01:49:22,380 --> 01:49:20,410
really close to blowing it off it's

2398
01:49:24,990 --> 01:49:22,390
something something's about to break I

2399
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:25,000
mean I really feel that the dam is about

2400
01:49:30,750 --> 01:49:26,800
to burst there's too many things

2401
01:49:33,540 --> 01:49:30,760
happening all at the same time and and I

2402
01:49:37,260 --> 01:49:33,550
mean this they are overlapping there are

2403
01:49:40,110 --> 01:49:37,270
things that when we talk about tinfoil

2404
01:49:44,170 --> 01:49:40,120
hats and and conspiracy theory and

2405
01:49:47,170 --> 01:49:44,180
fringe alternative views that now are

2406
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:47,180
the mainstream views and our extreme

2407
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:50,480
views are turning our more scientific

2408
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:53,360
base now right it's totally bizarre to

2409
01:49:59,190 --> 01:49:57,040
me and and the the world itself is

2410
01:50:01,570 --> 01:49:59,200
listening to the scientific community

2411
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,580
but they've been listening to us for

2412
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:03,440
years and watching the movies and to

2413
01:50:11,380 --> 01:50:07,370
watch these roles literally flip flop

2414
01:50:15,010 --> 01:50:11,390
flip flop and I'm what what is what is

2415
01:50:17,250 --> 01:50:15,020
bizarre to me ray is I know it sounds

2416
01:50:18,370 --> 01:50:17,260
simple but something like night-vision

2417
01:50:24,610 --> 01:50:18,380
goggles

2418
01:50:27,790 --> 01:50:24,620
advancement of technology that we didn't

2419
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:27,800
have just a couple of decades ago now go

2420
01:50:32,410 --> 01:50:30,050
on Amazon get yourself a pair go to

2421
01:50:35,020 --> 01:50:32,420
baring optics get the new Jimmy Church

2422
01:50:37,060 --> 01:50:35,030
model right night-vision goggles go out

2423
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:37,070
in the backyard and look up in the sky

2424
01:50:43,210 --> 01:50:38,960
and see things that you could not

2425
01:50:46,630 --> 01:50:43,220
possibly have ever seen 10 20 30 years

2426
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:46,640
ago but that's technology of converging

2427
01:50:50,710 --> 01:50:49,040
in our community in the alternative

2428
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:50,720
community and then you go over to the

2429
01:50:56,260 --> 01:50:52,850
scientific and engineering side Silicon

2430
01:50:58,630 --> 01:50:56,270
Valley and and quantum mechanics and and

2431
01:51:01,120 --> 01:50:58,640
quantum computers and parallel worlds

2432
01:51:04,420 --> 01:51:01,130
wait a minute here that was supposed to

2433
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:04,430
be our subject right now it is theirs

2434
01:51:09,370 --> 01:51:06,890
you know what I mean and and yeah I

2435
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:09,380
think there's a lot of evidence all the

2436
01:51:14,860 --> 01:51:12,050
way around that showing us that the dam

2437
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:14,870
is about to burst let's let's let's talk

2438
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:17,090
about let me look at the clock here okay

2439
01:51:20,830 --> 01:51:18,890
we got about five minutes and then we'll

2440
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:20,840
pick this up on the back side which is

2441
01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:25,730
Nibiru now if we are looking at you know

2442
01:51:29,650 --> 01:51:26,900
different numbers have been thrown

2443
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:29,660
around whether it's 3,600 year orbit or

2444
01:51:34,810 --> 01:51:31,760
three thousand or four it doesn't matter

2445
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:34,820
to me it's a long it's a long time

2446
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:37,250
if we go back throughout history and we

2447
01:51:44,380 --> 01:51:40,850
look at some significant cosmic events

2448
01:51:47,410 --> 01:51:44,390
that have happened such as the Star of

2449
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:47,420
Bethlehem right you have that and then

2450
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:49,520
the night that Jesus was born we have a

2451
01:51:54,250 --> 01:51:52,010
we have other cosmic events that have

2452
01:51:56,809 --> 01:51:54,260
happened in the night sky throughout the

2453
01:51:59,989 --> 01:51:56,819
past that have been documented in

2454
01:52:03,889 --> 01:51:59,999
and in history if one of those events

2455
01:52:08,719 --> 01:52:03,899
any one of them that is and that has

2456
01:52:11,299 --> 01:52:08,729
been documented ties to Nibiru well no

2457
01:52:14,989 --> 01:52:11,309
matter how we look at it Nibiru would be

2458
01:52:18,049 --> 01:52:14,999
a thousand years away today or 1500

2459
01:52:20,539 --> 01:52:18,059
years away it's not one year away I

2460
01:52:22,279 --> 01:52:20,549
don't think I've tried to sew it no

2461
01:52:25,729 --> 01:52:22,289
matter where we put it in the time line

2462
01:52:27,829 --> 01:52:25,739
it's it's way out there and it is not

2463
01:52:29,239 --> 01:52:27,839
come it's not going to be next month

2464
01:52:31,399 --> 01:52:29,249
it's not going to be next year it's not

2465
01:52:34,039 --> 01:52:31,409
going to be ten years from now that's my

2466
01:52:39,469 --> 01:52:34,049
take what's your take on where Nibiru

2467
01:52:42,259 --> 01:52:39,479
possibly could be in its orbit so III

2468
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:42,269
think I've seen Lloyd Pye again talk

2469
01:52:50,449 --> 01:52:48,239
about this I I think I think it's it's

2470
01:52:53,959 --> 01:52:50,459
distant it's not near and I think a lot

2471
01:52:57,559 --> 01:52:53,969
of this alarmism around this is not

2472
01:52:58,819 --> 01:52:57,569
helpful and I know by even saying that

2473
01:52:59,989 --> 01:52:58,829
I'm probably gonna have people say that

2474
01:53:02,959 --> 01:52:59,999
I'm trying to cover something up or

2475
01:53:07,009 --> 01:53:02,969
something I'm not I I mean honestly in

2476
01:53:12,619 --> 01:53:07,019
the book I kind of pass on this topic

2477
01:53:16,399 --> 01:53:12,629
III make Nibiru actually a star that I'm

2478
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:16,409
sorry I planet that orbits um now if

2479
01:53:20,659 --> 01:53:17,760
you're familiar with the binary star

2480
01:53:22,009 --> 01:53:20,669
theory absolutely out in California I

2481
01:53:23,449 --> 01:53:22,019
can't then think of his name off the top

2482
01:53:26,270 --> 01:53:23,459
of my head right now he talks about this

2483
01:53:28,909 --> 01:53:26,280
that Walter cruddud that's that that's

2484
01:53:30,859 --> 01:53:28,919
him I kind of go that route with this

2485
01:53:33,859 --> 01:53:30,869
that Nibiru is actually around our twin

2486
01:53:36,139 --> 01:53:33,869
star that we have not yet Anana tells

2487
01:53:37,699 --> 01:53:36,149
Maria that that we've not yet understood

2488
01:53:39,139 --> 01:53:37,709
that we are a twin star and that's

2489
01:53:40,759 --> 01:53:39,149
around that and that's how it is like so

2490
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:40,769
I kind of cop out in the book my

2491
01:53:45,409 --> 01:53:44,010
personal view is is that that it is out

2492
01:53:46,819 --> 01:53:45,419
then the reason I did that is I feel it

2493
01:53:48,649 --> 01:53:46,829
was more important to focus on what

2494
01:53:50,029 --> 01:53:48,659
these beings who they were and what

2495
01:53:51,799 --> 01:53:50,039
they've done and what's still going on

2496
01:53:54,319 --> 01:53:51,809
our culture today than to get into that

2497
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:54,329
whole debate about Nibiru but I do

2498
01:53:57,409 --> 01:53:55,679
believe it's out in the solar system

2499
01:54:00,739 --> 01:53:57,419
somewhere I do believe that it's

2500
01:54:03,169 --> 01:54:00,749
probably caused havoc at times in our

2501
01:54:04,879 --> 01:54:03,179
history but I don't have any reason to

2502
01:54:07,539 --> 01:54:04,889
believe based on anything that I've seen

2503
01:54:09,799 --> 01:54:07,549
that it's anywhere close to us right now

2504
01:54:10,580 --> 01:54:09,809
but I think what's interesting is people

2505
01:54:12,860 --> 01:54:10,590
who deny the

2506
01:54:15,590 --> 01:54:12,870
there is the mainstream sure keeps

2507
01:54:18,350 --> 01:54:15,600
coming up with different readings over

2508
01:54:19,850 --> 01:54:18,360
many many decades that some things there

2509
01:54:24,230 --> 01:54:19,860
no it's not some things there no it's

2510
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:24,240
not some things there so you know I it's

2511
01:54:28,940 --> 01:54:26,130
definitely out there as far as to how

2512
01:54:30,440 --> 01:54:28,950
close it comes or you know even is it

2513
01:54:32,150 --> 01:54:30,450
still on a trajectory that causes the

2514
01:54:33,770 --> 01:54:32,160
kind of issues that that citizen talks

2515
01:54:37,370 --> 01:54:33,780
about I don't know if that's even

2516
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:37,380
accurate or not I you know I feel like I

2517
01:54:41,780 --> 01:54:39,210
haven't studied all those issues enough

2518
01:54:44,350 --> 01:54:41,790
to really understand that but I don't I

2519
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,360
don't feel like it's imminent well

2520
01:54:51,140 --> 01:54:47,280
there's I think that there was something

2521
01:54:52,820 --> 01:54:51,150
there and when we look at some of the

2522
01:54:57,050 --> 01:54:52,830
stuff that has come out of MIT and

2523
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,060
Caltech over the last year and two years

2524
01:55:01,040 --> 01:54:59,280
you know the the big press release was

2525
01:55:03,410 --> 01:55:01,050
last year and I had Walter Quentin did

2526
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:03,420
on the show to specifically address this

2527
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:07,650
I was excited for Walter's research not

2528
01:55:15,470 --> 01:55:10,770
so much about the binary thing but a

2529
01:55:17,810 --> 01:55:15,480
star system in as much as there is some

2530
01:55:21,470 --> 01:55:17,820
type of planetary body out there that is

2531
01:55:25,010 --> 01:55:21,480
messing with Neptune and Uranus causing

2532
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:25,020
some wobbles out there also possibly

2533
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:27,450
with Pluto and that the only thing that

2534
01:55:34,130 --> 01:55:30,690
can explain this is a large planetary

2535
01:55:37,340 --> 01:55:34,140
body out way out there somewhere that is

2536
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:37,350
causing this interference now to have

2537
01:55:46,610 --> 01:55:41,250
again back to my original point to have

2538
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:46,620
science come in and start to solidly

2539
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,440
back up some of these theories about a

2540
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:52,080
planet x nibiru in the Anunnaki with

2541
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:56,130
mathematics speaks volumes for some of

2542
01:56:00,380 --> 01:55:57,690
these theories that have been put out

2543
01:56:03,020 --> 01:56:00,390
there for so long so what is it don't

2544
01:56:04,970 --> 01:56:03,030
know why can't we see it it's so far out

2545
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:04,980
there that the Sun isn't reflecting off

2546
01:56:09,050 --> 01:56:07,290
of it this isn't a star that is self

2547
01:56:11,900 --> 01:56:09,060
illuminated this is a planetary body

2548
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:11,910
that is going to be dark and you're not

2549
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:13,170
gonna see it unless it's close enough

2550
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:16,110
for our Sun to reflect off of it and

2551
01:56:20,750 --> 01:56:18,690
that's that's simply put that is the

2552
01:56:22,820 --> 01:56:20,760
only explanation that we have here and

2553
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:22,830
when it does appear it's gonna appear

2554
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:23,850
suddenly

2555
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:28,320
there is a reason why meteors and and

2556
01:56:32,300 --> 01:56:30,960
other debris out there that we don't we

2557
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,310
don't see it because the Sun isn't

2558
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:34,080
reflecting off of it these are black

2559
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:36,570
objects you know you have to see them

2560
01:56:40,910 --> 01:56:39,690
specifically with very very high-tech

2561
01:56:44,500 --> 01:56:40,920
equipment but you're not gonna see it

2562
01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:44,510
with the telescope but that being said

2563
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:47,310
then we have all of the Nibiru hunters

2564
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:48,810
that are out there that are posting

2565
01:56:55,700 --> 01:56:52,320
videos and images of crazy stuff in the

2566
01:56:57,200 --> 01:56:55,710
sky that is that is being noted out

2567
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:57,210
there what do you think it is that they

2568
01:57:03,290 --> 01:57:00,080
are seeing and is it just digital

2569
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:03,300
anomalies that being captured of with

2570
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:07,410
these cameras well yeah I think it's a

2571
01:57:10,820 --> 01:57:09,360
mix of all those things I mean I think

2572
01:57:12,620 --> 01:57:10,830
there are certainly I you know I've

2573
01:57:15,380 --> 01:57:12,630
taken pictures if I love taking pictures

2574
01:57:16,700 --> 01:57:15,390
of the Sun and and and you know unless

2575
01:57:17,870 --> 01:57:16,710
you have a really really really good

2576
01:57:19,340 --> 01:57:17,880
camera you know a lot of times you're

2577
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:19,350
gonna get lens flares and things like

2578
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:20,850
that I've had I posted pictures and

2579
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:22,850
people say oh look there's Nibiru or

2580
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:25,650
blue Kachina or something like that and

2581
01:57:30,770 --> 01:57:29,250
and you know I mean there's a lot of

2582
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:30,780
things that lens flares but I do think

2583
01:57:34,700 --> 01:57:32,090
that there have been some you know

2584
01:57:36,620 --> 01:57:34,710
there's at Marshall masters I think and

2585
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:36,630
the guy has brought a number of things

2586
01:57:41,060 --> 01:57:38,730
forward the the telescope down on the

2587
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:41,070
volcano and right in Central America a

2588
01:57:47,570 --> 01:57:44,570
few years ago that was capturing stuff

2589
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:47,580
you know there here's what I think I

2590
01:57:51,380 --> 01:57:49,530
think that there is a lot of stuff going

2591
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:51,390
on in our solar system that probably

2592
01:57:56,420 --> 01:57:53,130
there are people who know about it but

2593
01:57:59,390 --> 01:57:56,430
again we're not really told everything I

2594
01:58:00,860 --> 01:57:59,400
don't know why not just on the issues

2595
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:00,870
you've been on so many other issues they

2596
01:58:05,450 --> 01:58:02,610
insist on treating us like children but

2597
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:05,460
there are a lot of things going on in

2598
01:58:10,010 --> 01:58:08,400
our solar system I just don't have you

2599
01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:10,020
know and I don't know what it would take

2600
01:58:13,700 --> 01:58:11,880
to even prove to me that there's that

2601
01:58:15,170 --> 01:58:13,710
there's some incoming body that's about

2602
01:58:16,580 --> 01:58:15,180
to cause this havoc because the

2603
01:58:19,460 --> 01:58:16,590
predictions have been made a number of

2604
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:19,470
times and nothing has happened you know

2605
01:58:23,150 --> 01:58:20,880
and I'm not saying that means nothing

2606
01:58:29,390 --> 01:58:23,160
ever what happened but I think it's

2607
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:29,400
challenging to it's challenging to have

2608
01:58:33,260 --> 01:58:31,650
to see the the missed predictions over

2609
01:58:34,460 --> 01:58:33,270
and over again and nothing happens that

2610
01:58:36,170 --> 01:58:34,470
doesn't mean that there's nothing out

2611
01:58:37,130 --> 01:58:36,180
there doesn't mean that that some of

2612
01:58:39,410 --> 01:58:37,140
these images aren't

2613
01:58:42,020 --> 01:58:39,420
we shouldn't look at them I I definitely

2614
01:58:44,570 --> 01:58:42,030
am open-minded all of that we got to

2615
01:58:46,250 --> 01:58:44,580
take a break right here ray ran it right

2616
01:58:48,530 --> 01:58:46,260
up to the end but I still got to pay the

2617
01:58:51,050 --> 01:58:48,540
bills this is fade to black more with

2618
01:58:52,910 --> 01:58:51,060
Ray Davies this is a full Annunaki

2619
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:52,920
evening I'm fade to black right after

2620
01:58:58,580 --> 01:58:55,520
this stay with us

2621
01:59:04,480 --> 01:58:58,590
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you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

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really love ponies I'm serious I

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couldn't stay sane without poor mr.

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Brooks I fade to black

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this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

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on the game changer radio network and K

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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02:03:16,260 --> 02:03:12,910
your host jimmy church follow me on

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twitter i Jane Church radio very simple

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at J church radio hashtag f2 B is the

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sandbox come and hang out with us you

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follow follow ray

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I think it's ray it's at Anunnaki

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awakening right it's at Anunnaki awake

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02:03:33,390 --> 02:03:30,310
and reason is it's Twitter it doesn't

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02:03:36,030 --> 02:03:33,400
allow long enough name to have awakening

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02:03:38,820 --> 02:03:36,040
so okay well there you go and it will

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02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:38,830
say ray so you can follow you can follow

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02:03:43,650 --> 02:03:41,650
ray where it's pretty amazing isn't it

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02:03:46,170 --> 02:03:43,660
the sandbox every single night and you

2721
02:03:49,230 --> 02:03:46,180
you hang out there often it's pretty

2722
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:49,240
amazing this family and what goes on

2723
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:51,010
with this show every single night isn't

2724
02:03:56,430 --> 02:03:54,370
it absolutely is great people great

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02:03:59,160 --> 02:03:56,440
ideas I mean I learned something every

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02:04:01,760 --> 02:03:59,170
time I I look so well that's the reason

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02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:01,770
right there if I pull that off success

2728
02:04:06,450 --> 02:04:04,930
success you know and and the the amount

2729
02:04:08,250 --> 02:04:06,460
of people that listen to the show after

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02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:08,260
the fact right there listen to it in the

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02:04:14,010 --> 02:04:11,920
archives or YouTube or I Heart Radio

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02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:14,020
wherever they go to to check out the

2733
02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:16,450
archives and they hear us talking about

2734
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:19,750
you know the chat rooms or or the email

2735
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,050
or Twitter going out in real time they

2736
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:25,360
don't have a clue and until they listen

2737
02:04:29,970 --> 02:04:27,850
to the show live and and see what goes

2738
02:04:32,340 --> 02:04:29,980
on with this great audience but it is it

2739
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:32,350
is so entertaining for me every night to

2740
02:04:37,770 --> 02:04:34,960
watch these conversations just evolve

2741
02:04:39,420 --> 02:04:37,780
and everybody is bouncing ideas off of

2742
02:04:42,030 --> 02:04:39,430
each other and listening to the guest

2743
02:04:44,460 --> 02:04:42,040
and then arguing and fighting and just

2744
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:44,470
like any other successful family

2745
02:04:51,870 --> 02:04:46,450
Thanksgiving dinner it goes down every

2746
02:04:55,380 --> 02:04:51,880
night I guess so

2747
02:05:00,180 --> 02:04:55,390
but I do love it it is just awesome so

2748
02:05:03,930 --> 02:05:00,190
now back to when it comes to if you are

2749
02:05:07,140 --> 02:05:03,940
going to go out on a limb here and be

2750
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:07,150
somebody that is going to be some kind

2751
02:05:12,090 --> 02:05:09,370
of profit or predict the future or say

2752
02:05:15,900 --> 02:05:12,100
that some celestial event is going to

2753
02:05:18,090 --> 02:05:15,910
happen you better deliver and quite

2754
02:05:20,190 --> 02:05:18,100
frankly it's never happened and I feel

2755
02:05:21,660 --> 02:05:20,200
bad it's it's great radio it's

2756
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:21,670
entertaining to listen to

2757
02:05:27,180 --> 02:05:23,920
but if you're gonna do that is something

2758
02:05:29,310 --> 02:05:27,190
better happen or your your your

2759
02:05:31,290 --> 02:05:29,320
reputation is completely muddied and

2760
02:05:32,850 --> 02:05:31,300
there are plenty of out there that have

2761
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:32,860
been on not only on coast to coast but

2762
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:35,530
many shows that have predicted things

2763
02:05:44,540 --> 02:05:39,040
that never happen look at December 21st

2764
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:44,550
2012 right how many times how many times

2765
02:05:50,370 --> 02:05:47,890
has there been somebody out in the

2766
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:50,380
Midwest with a couple hundred people you

2767
02:05:56,310 --> 02:05:53,890
know talking about something's about to

2768
02:05:59,130 --> 02:05:56,320
happen so let's go and get a community

2769
02:06:01,020 --> 02:05:59,140
together because next year it's all over

2770
02:06:03,570 --> 02:06:01,030
and nothing ever happens

2771
02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:03,580
well you better you better have your

2772
02:06:08,580 --> 02:06:06,070
ducks in a row with this and with Nibiru

2773
02:06:09,390 --> 02:06:08,590
and Planet X I don't listen to them

2774
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:09,400
anymore

2775
02:06:13,979 --> 02:06:12,250
III really don't want it when it happens

2776
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:13,989
we're not gonna know we're not gonna see

2777
02:06:18,780 --> 02:06:16,410
it but I can see it until it's too late

2778
02:06:22,380 --> 02:06:18,790
this is why I shied away from this in

2779
02:06:25,050 --> 02:06:22,390
the book because I don't know the answer

2780
02:06:26,850 --> 02:06:25,060
to where it is and what it is I mean I'm

2781
02:06:29,370 --> 02:06:26,860
an is intrigued I'm watching the plan at

2782
02:06:32,430 --> 02:06:29,380
nine stuff and I you know the stuff back

2783
02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:32,440
in 81 and the stuff in 2006 when they

2784
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:34,210
thought they had found him with the you

2785
02:06:38,370 --> 02:06:37,210
know all those things so I watch it and

2786
02:06:40,169 --> 02:06:38,380
I pay attention to it and I find it

2787
02:06:41,459 --> 02:06:40,179
interesting but but I didn't want to get

2788
02:06:43,590 --> 02:06:41,469
hung up on there because I think there's

2789
02:06:45,180 --> 02:06:43,600
bigger issues that are affecting us

2790
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:45,190
every day in our life related all of

2791
02:06:49,950 --> 02:06:48,010
this that that I that I wanted to focus

2792
02:06:51,450 --> 02:06:49,960
on in the book more than whereas Nibiru

2793
02:06:53,010 --> 02:06:51,460
and I was worried if I if I got into

2794
02:06:54,810 --> 02:06:53,020
that in the book too much even my

2795
02:06:56,459 --> 02:06:54,820
personal view on it that it would take

2796
02:07:00,240 --> 02:06:56,469
away from that so that's why I kind of

2797
02:07:04,189 --> 02:07:00,250
stayed away now exactly now let's talk

2798
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:04,199
about the the wars that were going on

2799
02:07:14,689 --> 02:07:10,960
back then and Enki Enlil Marduk Mars

2800
02:07:18,209 --> 02:07:14,699
planet Earth solar interstellar

2801
02:07:21,950 --> 02:07:18,219
craziness going on do we take that

2802
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:25,260
well I start from the premise of why

2803
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:27,760
wouldn't we I mean I think we there we

2804
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:29,770
found you know going back to von Daniken

2805
02:07:34,530 --> 02:07:32,170
and others have found evidence all over

2806
02:07:36,010 --> 02:07:34,540
the world we have you know deserts that

2807
02:07:38,660 --> 02:07:36,020
are that are

2808
02:07:40,940 --> 02:07:38,670
you know have glass that that you know

2809
02:07:42,710 --> 02:07:40,950
suppose that could only happen from you

2810
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:42,720
know nuclear explosions I mean you could

2811
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:44,130
get it if you really start digging into

2812
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:47,370
the Indian texts I mean you know what

2813
02:07:51,140 --> 02:07:49,410
you see on ancient aliens is is really

2814
02:07:53,060 --> 02:07:51,150
just scratching the surface of the stuff

2815
02:07:54,920 --> 02:07:53,070
that's in those tacks it's amazing I

2816
02:07:58,340 --> 02:07:54,930
mean information that would have had no

2817
02:08:00,500 --> 02:07:58,350
reason to exist until the computer age

2818
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:00,510
you know that's in books that are that

2819
02:08:05,720 --> 02:08:02,880
are you know in texts that are five six

2820
02:08:08,570 --> 02:08:05,730
thousand years old it just is it is

2821
02:08:11,660 --> 02:08:08,580
crazy stuff so I I have no reason to

2822
02:08:13,550 --> 02:08:11,670
doubt that those things are I think you

2823
02:08:14,690 --> 02:08:13,560
even get remanence in you know we

2824
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:14,700
haven't really gotten into this too much

2825
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:19,890
but but you know Genesis you know if you

2826
02:08:25,340 --> 02:08:22,890
look at the first you know 11 chapters

2827
02:08:28,010 --> 02:08:25,350
or so up to Abram in Genesis but what

2828
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:28,020
what I believe you're seeing and I think

2829
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:29,370
there's a lot of evidence for this is

2830
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:33,360
you're seeing the Sumerian texts but

2831
02:08:37,460 --> 02:08:35,610
you're seeing them removed by several

2832
02:08:40,070 --> 02:08:37,470
thousand years and you're seeing them a

2833
02:08:41,690 --> 02:08:40,080
thousand miles across the desert where

2834
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:41,700
this stuff was these stories were taken

2835
02:08:45,230 --> 02:08:43,410
with them and by the time you can

2836
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:45,240
Genesis you see things like Sodom and

2837
02:08:49,820 --> 02:08:46,650
Gomorrah even you're seeing I think

2838
02:08:52,580 --> 02:08:49,830
remnants of those stories that are much

2839
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:52,590
more spelled out in some of the Sumerian

2840
02:08:58,100 --> 02:08:54,480
texts and even in some of the Indian

2841
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:58,110
texts about technological wars nuclear

2842
02:09:01,850 --> 02:08:59,520
wars things like that that were

2843
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:01,860
happening back there and I just I guess

2844
02:09:05,330 --> 02:09:03,810
I would ask again because you know I

2845
02:09:07,460 --> 02:09:05,340
know the mainstream makes the assumption

2846
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:07,470
that this is all myth and couldn't have

2847
02:09:11,180 --> 02:09:08,850
been because it doesn't fit with my

2848
02:09:12,500 --> 02:09:11,190
paradigm but why would we doubt

2849
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:12,510
something like that when we have these

2850
02:09:17,210 --> 02:09:14,370
ancient people describing these things

2851
02:09:18,410 --> 02:09:17,220
in such a detail and if we recognize it

2852
02:09:20,510 --> 02:09:18,420
and that's what I meant about such an

2853
02:09:22,430 --> 02:09:20,520
earlier taking the Space Age eyes we

2854
02:09:24,380 --> 02:09:22,440
need to take our eyes today well we know

2855
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:24,390
about the world today and look at what

2856
02:09:29,900 --> 02:09:25,770
they're describing and ask how would

2857
02:09:33,950 --> 02:09:29,910
they know that well and then for me it

2858
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:33,960
actually it goes one step deeper I go

2859
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:37,370
out and look in the sky all the time I

2860
02:09:44,330 --> 02:09:41,610
cannot tell one star from another I

2861
02:09:46,850 --> 02:09:44,340
can't tell a star from a planet I can't

2862
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:46,860
do that I have programs and software

2863
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:48,570
that will tell me what's going on

2864
02:09:54,260 --> 02:09:50,880
but I can't and I'm impressed with it

2865
02:09:57,050 --> 02:09:54,270
but if you go back you know three

2866
02:09:58,340 --> 02:09:57,060
thousand years four thousand years five

2867
02:10:01,000 --> 02:09:58,350
thousand years ago were these

2868
02:10:04,160 --> 02:10:01,010
civilizations that obviously allegedly

2869
02:10:06,890 --> 02:10:04,170
didn't have telescopes or waited but

2870
02:10:09,230 --> 02:10:06,900
they could differentiate and knew about

2871
02:10:12,050 --> 02:10:09,240
pure astronomy and they knew where

2872
02:10:14,930 --> 02:10:12,060
planets were and they knew what the Sun

2873
02:10:18,740 --> 02:10:14,940
was and they they could tell these

2874
02:10:22,100 --> 02:10:18,750
celestial I am blown away by that it did

2875
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:22,110
there's nothing that makes me understand

2876
02:10:27,380 --> 02:10:25,290
how they knew that because I know that

2877
02:10:28,970 --> 02:10:27,390
there's planets out there I know that we

2878
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:28,980
have a solar I know that I can look out

2879
02:10:33,470 --> 02:10:31,650
into the sky and and look at the Milky

2880
02:10:36,710 --> 02:10:33,480
Way and look at the constellations and

2881
02:10:40,070 --> 02:10:36,720
and pull up and and and get it but how

2882
02:10:45,140 --> 02:10:40,080
on God's green earth did some ancient

2883
02:10:48,050 --> 02:10:45,150
civilization know about planet count how

2884
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:48,060
is that possible I mean how how can they

2885
02:10:53,090 --> 02:10:50,490
look up and know what a planet was

2886
02:10:56,020 --> 02:10:53,100
versus the difference between that and a

2887
02:10:59,240 --> 02:10:56,030
star it doesn't make any sense unless

2888
02:11:00,680 --> 02:10:59,250
somebody was giving them this

2889
02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:00,690
information so that they could

2890
02:11:05,450 --> 02:11:02,610
understand it and comprehend it and then

2891
02:11:09,050 --> 02:11:05,460
document it not only in text but in in

2892
02:11:11,660 --> 02:11:09,060
in carvings and wall art it blows my

2893
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:11,670
mind and the only way that can you can

2894
02:11:16,340 --> 02:11:13,770
fit that puzzle together is somebody was

2895
02:11:18,770 --> 02:11:16,350
quite simply telling them exactly what

2896
02:11:20,540 --> 02:11:18,780
was going on out there I'm you know how

2897
02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:20,550
how would they know that now the

2898
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:22,290
mainstream will make up and this is what

2899
02:11:25,430 --> 02:11:23,850
I think is unscientific about the

2900
02:11:27,560 --> 02:11:25,440
mainstream sometimes they say let's be

2901
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:27,570
scientific right let's look at the the

2902
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:29,730
evidence and logic and all that and

2903
02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:32,130
figure these things out but but they'll

2904
02:11:35,660 --> 02:11:34,050
make up a story like well they must have

2905
02:11:38,140 --> 02:11:35,670
been contaminated they don't know that

2906
02:11:41,090 --> 02:11:38,150
they were contaminated by you know

2907
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:41,100
anyone you know in modern times that

2908
02:11:44,210 --> 02:11:42,690
gave him this information and the

2909
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:44,220
evidence seems to be that they've had

2910
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:46,560
this ritual around these stars and this

2911
02:11:52,940 --> 02:11:48,810
knowledge for at least a thousand years

2912
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:52,950
so you know again I mean the evidence in

2913
02:11:58,130 --> 02:11:55,440
so many of these things points in the

2914
02:12:01,970 --> 02:11:58,140
direction that doesn't fit a mainstream

2915
02:12:04,070 --> 02:12:01,980
narrative it's kind of like you

2916
02:12:05,780 --> 02:12:04,080
our ancient ancestors when it comes to

2917
02:12:07,190 --> 02:12:05,790
whether or not the gods or you know the

2918
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:07,200
quote-unquote gods I call them gods

2919
02:12:11,240 --> 02:12:09,090
small G because I think a lot of them

2920
02:12:14,750 --> 02:12:11,250
were extraterrestrials

2921
02:12:17,390 --> 02:12:14,760
you know the belief in them right is it

2922
02:12:19,370 --> 02:12:17,400
is as its explained away as these were

2923
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:19,380
unsophisticated people who needed to

2924
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:21,330
have these gods to represent courses of

2925
02:12:25,190 --> 02:12:22,890
nature that they didn't understand and

2926
02:12:26,450 --> 02:12:25,200
things like that but when it comes time

2927
02:12:28,910 --> 02:12:26,460
to build the Great Pyramid all of a

2928
02:12:30,890 --> 02:12:28,920
sudden they're sophisticated engineers

2929
02:12:32,540 --> 02:12:30,900
and scientists who can build something

2930
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:32,550
like the Great Pyramid and engineer that

2931
02:12:37,190 --> 02:12:34,410
I mean you can't have it both ways and

2932
02:12:38,930 --> 02:12:37,200
the logic over and over again in all of

2933
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:38,940
these cases to me if you're really

2934
02:12:42,050 --> 02:12:40,770
following a scientific method and really

2935
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:42,060
willing to open your eyes and look at

2936
02:12:45,470 --> 02:12:44,850
evidence says there's something going on

2937
02:12:48,410 --> 02:12:45,480
here

2938
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:48,420
and and the mainstream just by and large

2939
02:12:53,660 --> 02:12:50,490
I mean there are exceptions for sure but

2940
02:12:55,010 --> 02:12:53,670
by and large still poo-poos it ridicules

2941
02:12:57,710 --> 02:12:55,020
that doesn't want to look at it you know

2942
02:13:00,260 --> 02:12:57,720
Stan Freeman has his famous for you know

2943
02:13:01,790 --> 02:13:00,270
four things of a skeptic right I mean

2944
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:01,800
one of them is don't show me the

2945
02:13:04,520 --> 02:13:02,970
evidence I've already made up my mind

2946
02:13:06,590 --> 02:13:04,530
and that's kind of how it is you know

2947
02:13:08,510 --> 02:13:06,600
there's not a real examination of the

2948
02:13:11,630 --> 02:13:08,520
evidence of how these stones get

2949
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:11,640
someplace up on a mountain you know tens

2950
02:13:16,340 --> 02:13:13,050
of miles away from where they were

2951
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:16,350
quarried I mean just it's just crazy

2952
02:13:19,670 --> 02:13:18,090
there's so many people say show me the

2953
02:13:21,350 --> 02:13:19,680
evidence it's all over the place

2954
02:13:23,390 --> 02:13:21,360
sorry I was ranting there a little bit

2955
02:13:24,020 --> 02:13:23,400
but no no and and and you're right about

2956
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:24,030
that

2957
02:13:35,090 --> 02:13:33,330
or Randall Carlson or some of these

2958
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:35,100
other great I mean seriously great

2959
02:13:43,820 --> 02:13:39,050
researchers that I think that they are

2960
02:13:47,450 --> 02:13:43,830
reticent to they want to imply but they

2961
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:47,460
they are reticent to they stopped short

2962
02:13:51,890 --> 02:13:49,440
of saying there was an ancient

2963
02:13:55,160 --> 02:13:51,900
civilization there was you know just

2964
02:13:57,740 --> 02:13:55,170
maybe when we discuss a gobekli tepe

2965
02:14:03,170 --> 02:13:57,750
when they run the Joe Rogan show they

2966
02:14:04,700 --> 02:14:03,180
had the opportunity there to to go I

2967
02:14:06,770 --> 02:14:04,710
almost said something I shouldn't have

2968
02:14:09,020 --> 02:14:06,780
said this is a family show they had the

2969
02:14:11,870 --> 02:14:09,030
opportunity to put their cojones on the

2970
02:14:14,780 --> 02:14:11,880
table and and simply state some things

2971
02:14:17,570 --> 02:14:14,790
that there was a higher

2972
02:14:20,150 --> 02:14:17,580
technical civilization that was not

2973
02:14:22,010 --> 02:14:20,160
stone age man that had the technology to

2974
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:22,020
quarry know that there was a

2975
02:14:28,580 --> 02:14:25,130
civilization that had high technology

2976
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:28,590
that that built Gobekli Tepe they they

2977
02:14:34,580 --> 02:14:32,090
fall short of that they still want to

2978
02:14:40,220 --> 02:14:34,590
and they do it for for a good reason

2979
02:14:42,650 --> 02:14:40,230
they want to try to join hands with with

2980
02:14:44,750 --> 02:14:42,660
historians and archaeologists I get that

2981
02:14:47,630 --> 02:14:44,760
and and they do n geologists and they

2982
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:47,640
want to try to merge the two communities

2983
02:14:54,290 --> 02:14:51,890
together but I disagree with that I

2984
02:14:57,550 --> 02:14:54,300
firmly believe that there was something

2985
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:57,560
back there that was of extreme

2986
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:00,719
technology as as advanced as we are

2987
02:15:06,770 --> 02:15:03,570
today or maybe even more advanced they

2988
02:15:09,110 --> 02:15:06,780
just went bye-bye somehow somewhere and

2989
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:09,120
it happens and it's happened a lot time

2990
02:15:16,370 --> 02:15:13,679
and time again we cannot deny a couple

2991
02:15:21,890 --> 02:15:16,380
of things there are no dinosaurs today

2992
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:21,900
they were wiped out wiped out owned the

2993
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:25,679
planet you know it attends a dozens of

2994
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:29,250
feet tall huge teeth that just think are

2995
02:15:35,510 --> 02:15:32,010
never just Creek right they dominated

2996
02:15:37,850 --> 02:15:35,520
this they are gone there is and so if

2997
02:15:39,740 --> 02:15:37,860
that is the case I can't tell you how

2998
02:15:41,930 --> 02:15:39,750
many times countless times that we could

2999
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:41,940
have come and gone on this planet and

3000
02:15:46,610 --> 02:15:44,610
and just quite simply maybe somebody

3001
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:46,620
survived through at some point and was

3002
02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:48,690
teaching somebody that that is a

3003
02:15:51,650 --> 02:15:49,710
possibility

3004
02:15:54,140 --> 02:15:51,660
it doesn't fit directly back into the

3005
02:15:57,680 --> 02:15:54,150
Anunnaki in the Sumerian texts but

3006
02:16:01,360 --> 02:15:57,690
gobekli tepe didn't build itself it did

3007
02:16:08,270 --> 02:16:01,370
it quite simply did not in Stone Age man

3008
02:16:10,939 --> 02:16:08,280
whether we're looking at Co magma nor in

3009
02:16:13,820 --> 02:16:10,949
neanderthal you know thirty thousand

3010
02:16:16,160 --> 02:16:13,830
years ago did not build gobekli tepe

3011
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:16,170
that that is out of the possibility but

3012
02:16:24,860 --> 02:16:19,650
yet Stone Age man Stone Age meant no

3013
02:16:27,990 --> 02:16:24,870
tools no tools none chicken bones yes

3014
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:28,000
but no tools corridos

3015
02:16:33,150 --> 02:16:29,920
and and brought those in and built

3016
02:16:34,770 --> 02:16:33,160
Gobekli Tepe Stone Age man and you want

3017
02:16:37,860 --> 02:16:34,780
to tell me that I'm not giving Stone Age

3018
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:37,870
man enough credit that's where I just I

3019
02:16:45,480 --> 02:16:42,250
have to call BS and and Graham as much

3020
02:16:50,730 --> 02:16:45,490
as I love him and I do but he falls

3021
02:16:54,330 --> 02:16:50,740
short of of stating those opinions and I

3022
02:16:59,070 --> 02:16:54,340
don't know why but again I think that he

3023
02:17:01,860 --> 02:16:59,080
wants to he wants to try to merge the

3024
02:17:04,379 --> 02:17:01,870
two communities together and and tried

3025
02:17:06,990 --> 02:17:04,389
to back off yeah and I you know I mean I

3026
02:17:08,879 --> 02:17:07,000
I love Graham Hancock to I read his

3027
02:17:11,940 --> 02:17:08,889
books I follow him for years you know in

3028
02:17:13,230 --> 02:17:11,950
many many ways and I and I I've noted

3029
02:17:15,150 --> 02:17:13,240
exactly what you're saying I mean that

3030
02:17:16,830 --> 02:17:15,160
he does want and I think there's a place

3031
02:17:19,169 --> 02:17:16,840
for that because here's the thing the

3032
02:17:20,610 --> 02:17:19,179
mainstream isn't gonna look at all this

3033
02:17:22,140 --> 02:17:20,620
evidence I mean if they've made it clear

3034
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:22,150
they're just not going to they're not

3035
02:17:25,379 --> 02:17:23,530
going to accept it it doesn't fit the

3036
02:17:28,820 --> 02:17:25,389
paradigm they're not gonna about it and

3037
02:17:31,770 --> 02:17:28,830
I think he's trying very hard to build

3038
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:31,780
from their own perspective like the the

3039
02:17:36,690 --> 02:17:34,240
scientific credibility to say that you

3040
02:17:39,690 --> 02:17:36,700
know you should look at this I think for

3041
02:17:42,839 --> 02:17:39,700
people like me it's more like it sounds

3042
02:17:44,370 --> 02:17:42,849
like you may be a little bit's like it's

3043
02:17:46,830 --> 02:17:44,380
all there why don't we just say what it

3044
02:17:49,740 --> 02:17:46,840
is and why don't we why don't we somehow

3045
02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:49,750
get them to see you know to open their

3046
02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:51,490
eyes and look at the evidence because

3047
02:17:57,089 --> 02:17:53,650
that's what they claim the method is is

3048
02:17:58,679 --> 02:17:57,099
to look at evidence but it's not the

3049
02:18:03,419 --> 02:17:58,689
method when it comes to this kind of

3050
02:18:06,270 --> 02:18:03,429
topic now you know now there's one other

3051
02:18:10,620 --> 02:18:06,280
thing that we we kind of glossed over

3052
02:18:12,480 --> 02:18:10,630
but I have been talking about this more

3053
02:18:15,509 --> 02:18:12,490
and more lately which is a linear

3054
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:15,519
timeline what is a year what is a day

3055
02:18:23,910 --> 02:18:21,010
what is you know so forth to to history

3056
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:23,920
into prehistory because the dating of

3057
02:18:31,350 --> 02:18:26,800
things gets clouded once we get past

3058
02:18:34,740 --> 02:18:31,360
zero right and we go backwards to 20 BC

3059
02:18:36,929 --> 02:18:34,750
and 100 BC you have the Greek and Roman

3060
02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:36,939
calendars where we can line things up we

3061
02:18:42,030 --> 02:18:38,770
have some things going on in Asia

3062
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:42,040
but quite simply there was no calendar

3063
02:18:47,340 --> 02:18:44,650
system so when we're looking at the

3064
02:18:50,701 --> 02:18:47,350
Sumerian text and we even look at the

3065
02:18:52,350 --> 02:18:50,711
hieroglyphics in in Egypt and the way

3066
02:18:56,850 --> 02:18:52,360
that they were timing things when we get

3067
02:19:00,630 --> 02:18:56,860
to 3,000 BC it is guesswork a thousand

3068
02:19:02,911 --> 02:19:00,640
BC guesswork at best out in what year we

3069
02:19:06,750 --> 02:19:02,921
are actually talking about and how long

3070
02:19:09,600 --> 02:19:06,760
that time actually is no there was no

3071
02:19:12,270 --> 02:19:09,610
number there was no dating system in

3072
02:19:14,371 --> 02:19:12,280
place so I'll argue with any historian

3073
02:19:17,460 --> 02:19:14,381
if he wants to say well you know it was

3074
02:19:20,850 --> 02:19:17,470
you know it was at 2,000 BC based on

3075
02:19:22,710 --> 02:19:20,860
what based on what tell me what you're

3076
02:19:24,661 --> 02:19:22,720
basing it on and then we'll talk about

3077
02:19:27,331 --> 02:19:24,671
this 2,000 BC because there was no

3078
02:19:30,451 --> 02:19:27,341
calendar system now when we get into the

3079
02:19:32,130 --> 02:19:30,461
Sumerian text and we are talking uh you

3080
02:19:33,541 --> 02:19:32,140
know 400,000 years three hundred

3081
02:19:35,100 --> 02:19:33,551
thousand five hundred thousand years

3082
02:19:39,300 --> 02:19:35,110
we're talking about an extraordinary

3083
02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:39,310
length of time how accurate shall we

3084
02:19:45,300 --> 02:19:43,330
place this and and and and how much

3085
02:19:47,751 --> 02:19:45,310
faith do we put it into the Sumerian

3086
02:19:55,020 --> 02:19:47,761
text to talk about these extraordinarily

3087
02:19:57,780 --> 02:19:55,030
huge chunks of time well it's a

3088
02:19:59,780 --> 02:19:57,790
challenge to think about that I think I

3089
02:20:03,001 --> 02:19:59,790
think what's clear is that the Anunnaki

3090
02:20:04,470 --> 02:20:03,011
have very extended life spans and I

3091
02:20:05,881 --> 02:20:04,480
would argue maybe even longer than a few

3092
02:20:08,301 --> 02:20:05,891
thousand years maybe hundreds of

3093
02:20:10,890 --> 02:20:08,311
thousands of years so I think to them

3094
02:20:12,930 --> 02:20:10,900
this wasn't a lot of time but we do have

3095
02:20:16,621 --> 02:20:12,940
this this huge chunk of time between

3096
02:20:19,411 --> 02:20:16,631
when you know supposedly they came to

3097
02:20:20,911 --> 02:20:19,421
earth at the beginning and and where our

3098
02:20:22,110 --> 02:20:20,921
history picks up where the Sumerian

3099
02:20:24,421 --> 02:20:22,120
culture is you know the cradle of

3100
02:20:29,400 --> 02:20:24,431
civilization quote-unquote is is is is

3101
02:20:35,451 --> 02:20:29,410
buoyed up by them apparently I don't

3102
02:20:37,711 --> 02:20:35,461
think we should put a lot of emphasis on

3103
02:20:38,911 --> 02:20:37,721
exactly how much time because I don't

3104
02:20:40,110 --> 02:20:38,921
think we really have to say I don't

3105
02:20:41,701 --> 02:20:40,120
think we really have any way to measure

3106
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:41,711
I think at that point we're really

3107
02:20:46,381 --> 02:20:45,040
relying on that the Sumerians or some

3108
02:20:49,081 --> 02:20:46,391
B's ancient cultures were getting this

3109
02:20:51,751 --> 02:20:49,091
information from the Anunnaki or these

3110
02:20:52,620 --> 02:20:51,761
other beings themselves I think that's

3111
02:20:55,800 --> 02:20:52,630
the only

3112
02:20:58,020 --> 02:20:55,810
to say that it was this long or that

3113
02:20:59,670 --> 02:20:58,030
long and when you look at like you know

3114
02:21:01,320 --> 02:20:59,680
what Michael challengers doing in Africa

3115
02:21:03,300 --> 02:21:01,330
right now and I'm covering some of this

3116
02:21:05,370 --> 02:21:03,310
stuff you know it's clear that there

3117
02:21:08,250 --> 02:21:05,380
there was this long prehistory of the

3118
02:21:10,889 --> 02:21:08,260
stuff going on before we emerge you know

3119
02:21:13,469 --> 02:21:10,899
six thousand years ago and you know

3120
02:21:14,969 --> 02:21:13,479
between the Tigris and the Euphrates of

3121
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:14,979
this culture kind of popping up out of

3122
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:18,479
nowhere there's this long prehistory of

3123
02:21:23,969 --> 02:21:20,560
something going on that we don't know

3124
02:21:26,010 --> 02:21:23,979
about how long it was or you know what

3125
02:21:27,719 --> 02:21:26,020
went on during that period of time I

3126
02:21:30,330 --> 02:21:27,729
think we get bits and pieces of it in

3127
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:30,340
the ancient texts but I think it's it's

3128
02:21:33,660 --> 02:21:32,050
kind of lost a memory right now other

3129
02:21:35,370 --> 02:21:33,670
than the fact that we were given that

3130
02:21:38,060 --> 02:21:35,380
information probably at some point in

3131
02:21:42,929 --> 02:21:38,070
time have you started to learn

3132
02:21:47,250 --> 02:21:42,939
transcribing the Sumerian texts I had

3133
02:21:49,679 --> 02:21:47,260
not it's it's an interest of mine I

3134
02:21:51,900 --> 02:21:49,689
haven't put the time into it really I

3135
02:21:54,090 --> 02:21:51,910
definitely have looked at a lot of it

3136
02:21:55,500 --> 02:21:54,100
you know and and and look at the

3137
02:21:57,929 --> 02:21:55,510
different translations and how people

3138
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:57,939
doing or are doing it and at one point

3139
02:22:02,219 --> 02:21:59,439
in time I was very interested in

3140
02:22:03,929 --> 02:22:02,229
Sanskrit and I was looking at doing that

3141
02:22:06,210 --> 02:22:03,939
but I've never done it with the Sumerian

3142
02:22:08,940 --> 02:22:06,220
texts and what about hieroglyphics have

3143
02:22:12,139 --> 02:22:08,950
you thought about that challenge because

3144
02:22:15,240 --> 02:22:12,149
I am just just so you know I'm trying to

3145
02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:15,250
get through some of this I want to

3146
02:22:20,639 --> 02:22:17,050
understand it I have so much sculpture

3147
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:20,649
in and things that that's that are

3148
02:22:24,330 --> 02:22:21,850
sitting around the house and they're

3149
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:24,340
beautiful pieces I have no idea what's

3150
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:28,720
on them right agreed and I think this is

3151
02:22:31,050 --> 02:22:29,920
you know this gets back to words I met

3152
02:22:32,310 --> 02:22:31,060
earlier about the translations

3153
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:32,320
themselves but I mean you know a lot of

3154
02:22:37,020 --> 02:22:34,090
us are and hey I'll admit it I mean

3155
02:22:39,179 --> 02:22:37,030
we're we're reliant on Sitchin and hyzer

3156
02:22:40,590 --> 02:22:39,189
and everybody else who's who does know

3157
02:22:43,020 --> 02:22:40,600
something about this it was who's

3158
02:22:46,650 --> 02:22:43,030
translated this stuff right and we are

3159
02:22:48,480 --> 02:22:46,660
relying on them I mean so we're not you

3160
02:22:51,360 --> 02:22:48,490
know the information we're getting is is

3161
02:22:53,130 --> 02:22:51,370
I would say its primary source but it's

3162
02:22:55,050 --> 02:22:53,140
certainly not primary language so we're

3163
02:22:56,520 --> 02:22:55,060
relying on those translations and

3164
02:22:59,340 --> 02:22:56,530
comparing this to that and trying to

3165
02:23:01,650 --> 02:22:59,350
draw the picture so yeah it's it's a

3166
02:23:05,261 --> 02:23:01,660
weakness in me in the entire thing for

3167
02:23:09,100 --> 02:23:05,271
sure now what can in

3168
02:23:12,610 --> 02:23:09,110
in your second book where you are

3169
02:23:14,970 --> 02:23:12,620
discussing the the empowering thoughts

3170
02:23:18,430 --> 02:23:14,980
for daily life that you have

3171
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:18,440
extrapolated out of all of this research

3172
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:22,130
and information today how can we do just

3173
02:23:30,131 --> 02:23:25,010
that what have we learned from the

3174
02:23:32,051 --> 02:23:30,141
Annunaki well I should say before I

3175
02:23:34,180 --> 02:23:32,061
started the whole Annunaki thing at

3176
02:23:36,040 --> 02:23:34,190
writing this book I started down that

3177
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:36,050
path and that was kind of actually after

3178
02:23:41,801 --> 02:23:40,010
I died I spent a number of years in kind

3179
02:23:43,240 --> 02:23:41,811
of the proverbial wilderness I suppose

3180
02:23:44,921 --> 02:23:43,250
kind of going through the you know the

3181
02:23:50,530 --> 02:23:44,931
Campbell's hero

3182
02:23:52,360 --> 02:23:50,540
you know journey sort of and so trying

3183
02:23:54,820 --> 02:23:52,370
to explore who I was and all that sort

3184
02:23:57,011 --> 02:23:54,830
of thing and what I came up with and and

3185
02:23:59,980 --> 02:23:57,021
what I what I noted is I began looking

3186
02:24:04,690 --> 02:23:59,990
at this is that one of the things that

3187
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:04,700
keeps humanity down and prevents us from

3188
02:24:09,220 --> 02:24:07,010
getting beyond what I think is it is a

3189
02:24:11,410 --> 02:24:09,230
conscious deception at least on the part

3190
02:24:12,881 --> 02:24:11,420
of some to kind of keep us you know keep

3191
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:12,891
our history our knowledge of who we are

3192
02:24:17,381 --> 02:24:14,570
you know David Icke talks about these

3193
02:24:20,921 --> 02:24:17,391
things beautifully about who we really

3194
02:24:23,620 --> 02:24:20,931
are I'm hidden um people feel

3195
02:24:26,320 --> 02:24:23,630
disempowered they feel hopeless in a lot

3196
02:24:28,990 --> 02:24:26,330
of ways they and hey I'm do we all do it

3197
02:24:31,060 --> 02:24:29,000
we you know we we do things a job or

3198
02:24:33,460 --> 02:24:31,070
something like that that maybe maybe

3199
02:24:35,140 --> 02:24:33,470
isn't our passion in life but we do it

3200
02:24:37,060 --> 02:24:35,150
to pay the bills or whatever we do

3201
02:24:39,490 --> 02:24:37,070
things we kind of go through life and as

3202
02:24:41,830 --> 02:24:39,500
we move through it we lose hope and we

3203
02:24:45,430 --> 02:24:41,840
lose our dreams we lose our goals and I

3204
02:24:48,190 --> 02:24:45,440
think it's so important for us to

3205
02:24:50,890 --> 02:24:48,200
realize that we're not powerless in this

3206
02:24:53,320 --> 02:24:50,900
and again I think David Icke just as I

3207
02:24:56,261 --> 02:24:53,330
love the way he he talks about this kind

3208
02:24:58,030 --> 02:24:56,271
of stuff what what they're so scared of

3209
02:24:59,860 --> 02:24:58,040
what they're trying to keep us on from

3210
02:25:03,490 --> 02:24:59,870
in my opinion is the potential that's

3211
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:03,500
right within us and and we have not even

3212
02:25:09,730 --> 02:25:05,210
begun and I'll think to harness that and

3213
02:25:11,470 --> 02:25:09,740
so I think it as a rudimentary step that

3214
02:25:13,091 --> 02:25:11,480
I had to go through in my own process

3215
02:25:15,750 --> 02:25:13,101
and that I think a lot other people

3216
02:25:17,921 --> 02:25:15,760
would still benefit from is just

3217
02:25:18,430 --> 02:25:17,931
changing just the way you think and

3218
02:25:19,871 --> 02:25:18,440
realize

3219
02:25:21,490 --> 02:25:19,881
if you look at things a little more

3220
02:25:24,251 --> 02:25:21,500
optimistically that you see your

3221
02:25:27,490 --> 02:25:24,261
potential you acknowledge the the

3222
02:25:29,591 --> 02:25:27,500
amazingness and other I mean you know

3223
02:25:31,091 --> 02:25:29,601
when I see that like the political stuff

3224
02:25:32,621 --> 02:25:31,101
that's going on today and especially

3225
02:25:33,970 --> 02:25:32,631
when you get on social media and all the

3226
02:25:36,430 --> 02:25:33,980
fighting back and forth and the

3227
02:25:37,301 --> 02:25:36,440
name-calling and we've forgotten we're

3228
02:25:38,470 --> 02:25:37,311
human beings

3229
02:25:39,881 --> 02:25:38,480
we've forgotten that every one of those

3230
02:25:41,711 --> 02:25:39,891
people that you're yelling at and

3231
02:25:44,171 --> 02:25:41,721
calling names and calling stupid and

3232
02:25:47,171 --> 02:25:44,181
this and that and something else is an

3233
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:47,181
amazing one and a trillion miracle you

3234
02:25:53,921 --> 02:25:51,200
know and and and and Toby can get our

3235
02:25:56,411 --> 02:25:53,931
grounding back on that of who we are and

3236
02:25:58,541 --> 02:25:56,421
do all the people around us are I don't

3237
02:26:01,990 --> 02:25:58,551
think we can solve the challenges that

3238
02:26:03,341 --> 02:26:02,000
have been posed by by this deception and

3239
02:26:05,591 --> 02:26:03,351
history that started with the Anunnaki

3240
02:26:07,541 --> 02:26:05,601
and it helped him I would argue again

3241
02:26:09,371 --> 02:26:07,551
goes right into today's headlines I

3242
02:26:13,950 --> 02:26:09,381
think that's one of the ways we're being

3243
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:13,960
kept down and if we would just get there

3244
02:26:18,700 --> 02:26:16,250
that would change everything I mean

3245
02:26:20,890 --> 02:26:18,710
really I think it's it's as simple and

3246
02:26:22,871 --> 02:26:20,900
as hard as is enough of us a critical

3247
02:26:24,220 --> 02:26:22,881
mass of us flipping the switch on the

3248
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:24,230
way we look at things and the way we

3249
02:26:29,051 --> 02:26:26,330
look at ourselves but we're constantly

3250
02:26:31,930 --> 02:26:29,061
fed if you turn on CNN or fox or MSNBC

3251
02:26:34,121 --> 02:26:31,940
or any of this stuff

3252
02:26:36,011 --> 02:26:34,131
you're constantly fed these narratives

3253
02:26:38,110 --> 02:26:36,021
that are disempowering they're dividing

3254
02:26:40,360 --> 02:26:38,120
bait and we'll never get there if we

3255
02:26:42,520 --> 02:26:40,370
keep listening to that stuff we'll never

3256
02:26:45,371 --> 02:26:42,530
get there we're gonna take a break right

3257
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:45,381
here ray but I am going to ask you for a

3258
02:26:49,841 --> 02:26:47,210
little bit of overtime can we do that

3259
02:26:51,220 --> 02:26:49,851
for the fader not tonight absolutely you

3260
02:26:53,020 --> 02:26:51,230
know I kind of feel like Johnny Carson

3261
02:26:55,631 --> 02:26:53,030
remember and Johnny would bring out the

3262
02:26:59,200 --> 02:26:55,641
comedian right and then either he asked

3263
02:27:02,020 --> 02:26:59,210
you over to the couch to sit down or he

3264
02:27:03,490 --> 02:27:02,030
did not and I get that opportunity there

3265
02:27:04,810 --> 02:27:03,500
would you like to come over and sit on

3266
02:27:08,801 --> 02:27:04,820
the couch and do it a little over time

3267
02:27:10,301 --> 02:27:08,811
with us I would absolutely let's do that

3268
02:27:13,150 --> 02:27:10,311
right now we're gonna take a break our

3269
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:13,160
guest tonight ray Davis it's so cool to

3270
02:27:18,461 --> 02:27:15,200
have one of our family on the show

3271
02:27:21,240 --> 02:27:18,471
tonight a fade or not author tonight

3272
02:27:24,011 --> 02:27:21,250
we're just discussing the Annunaki but

3273
02:27:27,180 --> 02:27:24,021
you've heard ray say a few times tonight

3274
02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:27,190
when I died when I died

3275
02:27:30,511 --> 02:27:28,690
I wanted to save it for a little bit

3276
02:27:33,150 --> 02:27:30,521
later we're gonna do that right now and

3277
02:27:35,881 --> 02:27:33,160
over time we're gonna find out what Ray

3278
02:27:39,880 --> 02:27:35,891
wasn't talking about 25 years ago

3279
02:27:57,620 --> 02:27:54,429
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our guest ray Davis full Annunaki

3367
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I'm your host Jimmy church follow me on

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or Spreaker and now ray tonight

3373
02:32:50,449 --> 02:32:47,880
mentioned three or four times when I

3374
02:32:52,580 --> 02:32:50,459
died now I wanted to save it for later

3375
02:32:54,649 --> 02:32:52,590
but this is what we do with live radio

3376
02:32:57,710 --> 02:32:54,659
it just got out of control the

3377
02:32:59,029 --> 02:32:57,720
conversation and that excuse me I didn't

3378
02:33:02,599 --> 02:32:59,039
get a chance to get around to it so

3379
02:33:06,050 --> 02:33:02,609
let's do that now ray 25 years ago what

3380
02:33:08,090 --> 02:33:06,060
happened so I didn't actually die but I

3381
02:33:09,500 --> 02:33:08,100
should have been dead I think I

3382
02:33:13,639 --> 02:33:09,510
shouldn't maybe didn't clear on that

3383
02:33:15,889 --> 02:33:13,649
good work so there's a little mystical

3384
02:33:19,790 --> 02:33:15,899
piece of this but what happened was as I

3385
02:33:21,649 --> 02:33:19,800
had graduated from college you know well

3386
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:21,659
my life I was in a dark place just being

3387
02:33:25,219 --> 02:33:23,130
really completely honest I was in a dark

3388
02:33:27,319 --> 02:33:25,229
place career wasn't going the way I

3389
02:33:29,870 --> 02:33:27,329
wanted to at that point and I I just

3390
02:33:31,399 --> 02:33:29,880
wasn't comfortable yet kind of figuring

3391
02:33:34,460 --> 02:33:31,409
out where I wanted to go in life in a

3392
02:33:36,199 --> 02:33:34,470
lot of ways and and I got sick I don't

3393
02:33:38,779 --> 02:33:36,209
know what I didn't know what was wrong

3394
02:33:40,849 --> 02:33:38,789
with me I couldn't eat couldn't drink

3395
02:33:42,920 --> 02:33:40,859
started losing weight got down

3396
02:33:45,080 --> 02:33:42,930
I mean I'm five nine I got down below a

3397
02:33:45,529 --> 02:33:45,090
hundred pounds I mean I was skin and

3398
02:33:48,260 --> 02:33:45,539
bones

3399
02:33:50,090 --> 02:33:48,270
Wow went to the hospital once was there

3400
02:33:52,609 --> 02:33:50,100
for about three weeks they pumped me up

3401
02:33:54,949 --> 02:33:52,619
full of IV and and sent me home again

3402
02:34:00,580 --> 02:33:54,959
wound up back there again worse off a

3403
02:34:02,689 --> 02:34:00,590
couple weeks later and eventually they

3404
02:34:05,870 --> 02:34:02,699
determined that I had Addison's disease

3405
02:34:07,790 --> 02:34:05,880
which is a very rare autoimmune disease

3406
02:34:11,090 --> 02:34:07,800
John Kennedy had a defect they kept it

3407
02:34:12,349 --> 02:34:11,100
hidden from the public that he had it

3408
02:34:16,880 --> 02:34:12,359
because at that time there was no

3409
02:34:19,609 --> 02:34:16,890
treatment for it but but I have had that

3410
02:34:21,050 --> 02:34:19,619
but it took them oh gosh it wasn't the

3411
02:34:22,790 --> 02:34:21,060
first thing they look for I mean we went

3412
02:34:24,229 --> 02:34:22,800
on for weeks and weeks and weeks at me

3413
02:34:27,229 --> 02:34:24,239
in the hospital like this not be able to

3414
02:34:29,689 --> 02:34:27,239
be not be on a drink losing weight and I

3415
02:34:31,370 --> 02:34:29,699
was in so much pain I can't even

3416
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:31,380
describe the pain that I was in when I

3417
02:34:34,910 --> 02:34:33,359
went in the hospital that night that

3418
02:34:36,290 --> 02:34:34,920
first night and I

3419
02:34:38,719 --> 02:34:36,300
mr. screaming out to whoever was

3420
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:38,729
listening that I'm ready to go I want

3421
02:34:50,360 --> 02:34:47,300
you know I I was in bad shape so I can't

3422
02:34:52,070 --> 02:34:50,370
I can't vouch for what I think I saw

3423
02:34:53,960 --> 02:34:52,080
what I think I experienced but I

3424
02:34:56,420 --> 02:34:53,970
remember there was a kind of a light up

3425
02:35:00,530 --> 02:34:56,430
in the corner of the room right and and

3426
02:35:00,890 --> 02:35:00,540
and basically it was intuitive to me it

3427
02:35:03,050 --> 02:35:00,900
wasn't

3428
02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:03,060
I didn't hear a voice or see anyone or

3429
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:04,650
like that was intuitive to me that it

3430
02:35:07,910 --> 02:35:06,570
was not my time to go that I was gonna

3431
02:35:10,010 --> 02:35:07,920
have to get through this I was gonna

3432
02:35:12,080 --> 02:35:10,020
have to pull through and then I had

3433
02:35:15,290 --> 02:35:12,090
still things here that I needed to do

3434
02:35:18,200 --> 02:35:15,300
and so I was blocked so I didn't have an

3435
02:35:21,290 --> 02:35:18,210
out-of-body experience or actually died

3436
02:35:24,020 --> 02:35:21,300
I just was very very sick and later on I

3437
02:35:25,820 --> 02:35:24,030
had the one of the best indican in

3438
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:25,830
endocrinology doctors in the Midwest

3439
02:35:32,390 --> 02:35:28,010
tell me that he had never seen anyone

3440
02:35:35,810 --> 02:35:32,400
with electrolyte levels that I had who

3441
02:35:37,850 --> 02:35:35,820
was alive so but you said that you

3442
02:35:39,650 --> 02:35:37,860
wanted to go was it weary feeling

3443
02:35:41,660 --> 02:35:39,660
suicidal or is it because of the

3444
02:35:44,570 --> 02:35:41,670
sickness you were just like or the

3445
02:35:45,800 --> 02:35:44,580
illness there's you know I'm tired you

3446
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:45,810
know I'm done with this

3447
02:35:52,219 --> 02:35:49,770
or were you were you suicidal no I never

3448
02:35:54,350 --> 02:35:52,229
thought about taking my own life but I

3449
02:35:57,140 --> 02:35:54,360
was just wasting away I mean I couldn't

3450
02:35:59,390 --> 02:35:57,150
eat couldn't drink couldn't swallow the

3451
02:36:02,810 --> 02:35:59,400
the pain was just I can't even describe

3452
02:36:05,810 --> 02:36:02,820
it and so I just wanted out but I never

3453
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:05,820
would have I think even then certain

3454
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:07,770
certainly now I have this belief but

3455
02:36:14,330 --> 02:36:11,610
then I just would never have thought

3456
02:36:16,610 --> 02:36:14,340
about taking my life but I I wanted out

3457
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:16,620
and I was like verbalizing that saying

3458
02:36:21,620 --> 02:36:19,050
I'm ready to go just take me I'm ready

3459
02:36:23,870 --> 02:36:21,630
to get out of here and you know it was

3460
02:36:25,340 --> 02:36:23,880
just excruciating and and you know took

3461
02:36:27,080 --> 02:36:25,350
weeks and weeks to figure out what was

3462
02:36:29,060 --> 02:36:27,090
going on and and get me on the proper

3463
02:36:31,010 --> 02:36:29,070
medication to get things squared away

3464
02:36:33,170 --> 02:36:31,020
and you know I've been doing that for 28

3465
02:36:37,790 --> 02:36:33,180
years now so how long were you at the

3466
02:36:42,679 --> 02:36:37,800
hospital the second time about four

3467
02:36:47,660 --> 02:36:42,689
months oh holy crap yeah well there was

3468
02:36:48,710 --> 02:36:47,670
a lot of psychological out fall out fall

3469
02:36:50,450 --> 02:36:48,720
from this whole situation

3470
02:36:51,950 --> 02:36:50,460
so a lot of that was spent trying to get

3471
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:51,960
myself back together because I you know

3472
02:36:57,769 --> 02:36:53,850
I'd literally almost died and I really

3473
02:36:59,540 --> 02:36:57,779
felt when I when I encounter people

3474
02:37:01,340 --> 02:36:59,550
today that are at rock-bottom I

3475
02:37:06,889 --> 02:37:01,350
understand because I've been there right

3476
02:37:09,380 --> 02:37:06,899
and and and that's why I do believe and

3477
02:37:11,240 --> 02:37:09,390
I'm not perfect I I have my issues and I

3478
02:37:12,710 --> 02:37:11,250
get frustrated with things and I lose my

3479
02:37:15,260 --> 02:37:12,720
positivity sometimes I have to get

3480
02:37:16,940 --> 02:37:15,270
myself back on track but I do really

3481
02:37:19,309 --> 02:37:16,950
believe that there is something to this

3482
02:37:21,830 --> 02:37:19,319
idea that you can pull something from

3483
02:37:23,269 --> 02:37:21,840
within and put yourself out of that

3484
02:37:24,860 --> 02:37:23,279
situation pull yourself to a better

3485
02:37:27,860 --> 02:37:24,870
place because that's that's really what

3486
02:37:30,070 --> 02:37:27,870
I feel like I did yeah I'm a firm

3487
02:37:35,719 --> 02:37:30,080
believer in creating your own reality

3488
02:37:38,330 --> 02:37:35,729
mm-hmm absolutely and when you do that

3489
02:37:41,780 --> 02:37:38,340
and I've done it a few times in my life

3490
02:37:43,729 --> 02:37:41,790
where I've seriously just got my head

3491
02:37:46,670 --> 02:37:43,739
together and focused and said you know

3492
02:37:48,590 --> 02:37:46,680
this is what I need to do this is what I

3493
02:37:52,010 --> 02:37:48,600
want to do and I'm going to do it

3494
02:37:55,070 --> 02:37:52,020
nobody's gonna do it for me and you have

3495
02:37:58,340 --> 02:37:55,080
to do it and and go and get it done you

3496
02:38:00,110 --> 02:37:58,350
can create your own reality nobody's

3497
02:38:02,179 --> 02:38:00,120
gonna do it for you and if you're upset

3498
02:38:05,330 --> 02:38:02,189
about the position you are in in life

3499
02:38:07,429 --> 02:38:05,340
you just kind of step back and ask

3500
02:38:10,820 --> 02:38:07,439
yourself how do I fix this

3501
02:38:13,340 --> 02:38:10,830
you can do it you can change your

3502
02:38:16,010 --> 02:38:13,350
reality no matter what it is you know

3503
02:38:18,710 --> 02:38:16,020
and and you've got you've got to reach

3504
02:38:21,019 --> 02:38:18,720
inside yourself and go and get it done

3505
02:38:22,849 --> 02:38:21,029
nobody's gonna do it for you there is no

3506
02:38:25,580 --> 02:38:22,859
lottery ticket that you're gonna punch

3507
02:38:29,240 --> 02:38:25,590
that is gonna make it happen you've got

3508
02:38:33,710 --> 02:38:30,559
yeah I wanted to ask you were you

3509
02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:33,720
conscious this entire time or did you

3510
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:37,290
ever were you unconscious in that for

3511
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:44,010
most conscious that night I'm just kind

3512
02:38:47,929 --> 02:38:45,359
of going back there right now and I mean

3513
02:38:52,510 --> 02:38:47,939
I'm laying in this bed I I'm skin and

3514
02:38:55,460 --> 02:38:52,520
bones I every every part of my body hurt

3515
02:38:59,300 --> 02:38:55,470
unbelievably and I'm just rolling around

3516
02:39:01,760 --> 02:38:59,310
writhing and really and and yeah I was

3517
02:39:02,330 --> 02:39:01,770
conscious the whole time I never slept I

3518
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:02,340
couldn't

3519
02:39:05,990 --> 02:39:03,930
that was another thing that was one oh

3520
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:06,000
this I hadn't slept very much in weeks

3521
02:39:10,849 --> 02:39:08,010
because I couldn't sleep at night

3522
02:39:13,370 --> 02:39:10,859
right yeah I went through something

3523
02:39:16,969 --> 02:39:13,380
similar but there's no time to get into

3524
02:39:20,660 --> 02:39:16,979
that now but what does you touched upon

3525
02:39:22,670 --> 02:39:20,670
this what do you what do you learn from

3526
02:39:26,450 --> 02:39:22,680
that experience that you can share with

3527
02:39:29,929 --> 02:39:26,460
everybody else I think that that is one

3528
02:39:36,020 --> 02:39:29,939
of the greatest things I don't care ray

3529
02:39:37,940 --> 02:39:36,030
if if somebody goes to prison and and

3530
02:39:40,130 --> 02:39:37,950
comes out on the other side of that and

3531
02:39:42,139 --> 02:39:40,140
says you know but you know what

3532
02:39:44,510 --> 02:39:42,149
there are things whether you're stuck on

3533
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:44,520
a deserted island for three months or or

3534
02:39:51,230 --> 02:39:47,520
it's a horrific car accident or you know

3535
02:39:53,240 --> 02:39:51,240
these these extreme points in life a lot

3536
02:39:55,310 --> 02:39:53,250
of people don't go to the extremes you

3537
02:39:58,070 --> 02:39:55,320
know they don't climb to the mountaintop

3538
02:39:59,900 --> 02:39:58,080
they don't survive they don't do that

3539
02:40:02,360 --> 02:39:59,910
maybe they're lucky enough that they

3540
02:40:04,730 --> 02:40:02,370
don't but you know what if you go to the

3541
02:40:07,219 --> 02:40:04,740
extremes in life and you are able to

3542
02:40:09,410 --> 02:40:07,229
share those experiences and you get to

3543
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:09,420
the ripe old age of 90 and you're

3544
02:40:12,770 --> 02:40:10,800
sitting around at the table with your

3545
02:40:15,710 --> 02:40:12,780
grandkids and your great grandkids and

3546
02:40:17,750 --> 02:40:15,720
you're talking well you know uh it's

3547
02:40:23,210 --> 02:40:17,760
been four years in prison in nineteen

3548
02:40:26,179 --> 02:40:23,220
fifty what you know and it's those

3549
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:26,189
life's experiences that you when you get

3550
02:40:30,290 --> 02:40:27,930
to that ripe old age you can look back

3551
02:40:33,830 --> 02:40:30,300
and go man I did this this this and this

3552
02:40:36,590 --> 02:40:33,840
and this and I can share for so with you

3553
02:40:39,940 --> 02:40:36,600
with for that four months what did you

3554
02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:39,950
learn that you can share with everybody

3555
02:40:46,969 --> 02:40:44,570
well I I think what I learned is that

3556
02:40:49,310 --> 02:40:46,979
boy this is gonna sound really try to be

3557
02:40:51,310 --> 02:40:49,320
it for you you can't give up you know

3558
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:51,320
first of all you can't give up I mean

3559
02:40:57,530 --> 02:40:55,439
every day has the potential every moment

3560
02:40:59,060 --> 02:40:57,540
has the potential to change everything

3561
02:40:59,510 --> 02:40:59,070
that's gone before if you'll give it a

3562
02:41:01,910 --> 02:40:59,520
chance

3563
02:41:03,679 --> 02:41:01,920
I think the other thing is is that when

3564
02:41:06,560 --> 02:41:03,689
you get down a lot of people have a lot

3565
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:06,570
of negativity around them with other

3566
02:41:09,440 --> 02:41:08,010
people I mean this is the state of

3567
02:41:10,849 --> 02:41:09,450
humanity we begin a whole other

3568
02:41:14,270 --> 02:41:10,859
discussion that will we talk about all

3569
02:41:16,130 --> 02:41:14,280
night and get into why I feel like we're

3570
02:41:18,679 --> 02:41:16,140
kind of there but you know

3571
02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:18,689
don't it if you need to surround

3572
02:41:25,189 --> 02:41:21,210
yourself with people who want to see you

3573
02:41:27,050 --> 02:41:25,199
succeed you know you want to give you

3574
02:41:28,639 --> 02:41:27,060
the space to do that because I think if

3575
02:41:30,380 --> 02:41:28,649
you surround yourself with the naysayers

3576
02:41:32,510 --> 02:41:30,390
and you buy into that you'll you'll

3577
02:41:34,729 --> 02:41:32,520
shoot yourself down a lot of people you

3578
02:41:36,410 --> 02:41:34,739
know get to the end of this existence

3579
02:41:38,420 --> 02:41:36,420
and they haven't done a lot of those

3580
02:41:40,250 --> 02:41:38,430
things that they wanted to do they they

3581
02:41:41,960 --> 02:41:40,260
never wrote a book I get people time ago

3582
02:41:44,750 --> 02:41:41,970
you wrote a book I always wanted to

3583
02:41:46,939 --> 02:41:44,760
write a book it's like I'm nothing

3584
02:41:48,170 --> 02:41:46,949
special I just did it you know it's the

3585
02:41:50,030 --> 02:41:48,180
same thing you could do it too I I

3586
02:41:52,099 --> 02:41:50,040
really believed writing a book is huge

3587
02:41:54,139 --> 02:41:52,109
everyone has a book in them I believe I

3588
02:41:55,729 --> 02:41:54,149
really believe that and it has a story

3589
02:41:58,580 --> 02:41:55,739
to tell something that everyone could

3590
02:42:01,820 --> 02:41:58,590
benefit from but but all of this I think

3591
02:42:03,410 --> 02:42:01,830
you know I tie back to Joseph Campbell

3592
02:42:05,090 --> 02:42:03,420
the heroes you know the hero's journey

3593
02:42:07,510 --> 02:42:05,100
basic for that whole cycle that's been

3594
02:42:10,849 --> 02:42:07,520
identified that's what that's about is

3595
02:42:12,679 --> 02:42:10,859
is the hero and he uses the Buddha or

3596
02:42:14,360 --> 02:42:12,689
Jesus or any any of these great teachers

3597
02:42:16,790 --> 02:42:14,370
you know that there's this this this

3598
02:42:18,500 --> 02:42:16,800
pattern of they go through these steps

3599
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:18,510
in the process and one of them is is

3600
02:42:21,439 --> 02:42:20,010
they is they have to go to the beyond

3601
02:42:23,929 --> 02:42:21,449
and come back and I feel like that

3602
02:42:25,939 --> 02:42:23,939
experience was like that for me and it

3603
02:42:29,210 --> 02:42:25,949
made me realize how precious this is and

3604
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:29,220
how what a miracle it is every day and

3605
02:42:34,130 --> 02:42:32,250
and so it just you know I forget I have

3606
02:42:36,080 --> 02:42:34,140
to be reminded something happens and you

3607
02:42:37,670 --> 02:42:36,090
kind of get that that wake-up call again

3608
02:42:40,519 --> 02:42:37,680
that hey I'm kind of drifting off the

3609
02:42:42,439 --> 02:42:40,529
path but but I never take any of it for

3610
02:42:43,880 --> 02:42:42,449
granted anymore and assume that it's

3611
02:42:46,250 --> 02:42:43,890
always gonna be there because it's never

3612
02:42:49,250 --> 02:42:46,260
felt like it was a permanent thing ever

3613
02:42:50,630 --> 02:42:49,260
you know so I I just feel like you just

3614
02:42:53,210 --> 02:42:50,640
have to keep putting one foot in front

3615
02:42:55,040 --> 02:42:53,220
of the other and go for your dreams go

3616
02:42:57,170 --> 02:42:55,050
for your goals now I'm some i20 Robbins

3617
02:43:00,290 --> 02:42:57,180
or something but hey that's that's what

3618
02:43:01,490 --> 02:43:00,300
you got to do know that is a truer words

3619
02:43:03,769 --> 02:43:01,500
have never been spoken

3620
02:43:08,019 --> 02:43:03,779
except for everybody's got a book in him

3621
02:43:10,370 --> 02:43:08,029
not me I am so impressed when somebody

3622
02:43:12,500 --> 02:43:10,380
hands me their book and they say you

3623
02:43:16,160 --> 02:43:12,510
know I wrote this I am so impressed with

3624
02:43:19,639 --> 02:43:16,170
that I the discipline that it takes to

3625
02:43:21,320 --> 02:43:19,649
get through not only writing it but then

3626
02:43:24,620 --> 02:43:21,330
the editing phase and the publishing

3627
02:43:26,719 --> 02:43:24,630
phase and talk about a life's journey to

3628
02:43:28,660 --> 02:43:26,729
get that done I just don't think I can

3629
02:43:31,510 --> 02:43:28,670
pull that off is there

3630
02:43:33,219 --> 02:43:31,520
book in me there may be a story there I

3631
02:43:36,010 --> 02:43:33,229
don't know why anybody would find it

3632
02:43:38,620 --> 02:43:36,020
interesting or worth reading but the

3633
02:43:41,170 --> 02:43:38,630
discipline of writing that book I have

3634
02:43:43,630 --> 02:43:41,180
no idea where that comes from and I'm so

3635
02:43:45,790 --> 02:43:43,640
impressed with people that that pull it

3636
02:43:48,219 --> 02:43:45,800
off or write a second book a third book

3637
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:48,229
a fourth book you know I look at guys

3638
02:43:54,360 --> 02:43:52,250
like well it doesn't matter I have

3639
02:43:56,710 --> 02:43:54,370
friends that write a book a month

3640
02:43:59,740 --> 02:43:56,720
literally are writing a book a month a

3641
02:44:01,390 --> 02:43:59,750
book every other month I don't know how

3642
02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:01,400
they do it I don't know how they they

3643
02:44:06,850 --> 02:44:03,530
pull that off and and and write it today

3644
02:44:09,940 --> 02:44:06,860
they have my mad respect Nick Redfern I

3645
02:44:11,920 --> 02:44:09,950
I get a new Nick Redfern book in the

3646
02:44:14,590 --> 02:44:11,930
mail every three or four weeks and I'm

3647
02:44:18,460 --> 02:44:14,600
thinking how dude how do you do this I

3648
02:44:20,140 --> 02:44:18,470
mean how is it possible so I just

3649
02:44:21,969 --> 02:44:20,150
respect that so much but you're

3650
02:44:28,150 --> 02:44:21,979
absolutely right

3651
02:44:31,630 --> 02:44:28,160
you have to life life is never easy it's

3652
02:44:34,270 --> 02:44:31,640
it's simply not you cannot give up you

3653
02:44:36,400 --> 02:44:34,280
can't life is not easy if it's rough

3654
02:44:39,790 --> 02:44:36,410
today and you think that this is as bad

3655
02:44:41,650 --> 02:44:39,800
as it's gonna get well honestly tomorrow

3656
02:44:45,900 --> 02:44:41,660
is either gonna be better it's gonna be

3657
02:44:49,179 --> 02:44:45,910
worse but you can't stop you can't stop

3658
02:44:52,360 --> 02:44:49,189
somebody said to me once and I use this

3659
02:44:59,940 --> 02:44:52,370
analogy a lot and it's a it's a true

3660
02:45:03,100 --> 02:44:59,950
pure metaphor but is this somebody asked

3661
02:45:04,810 --> 02:45:03,110
somebody asked I don't know if it was

3662
02:45:08,460 --> 02:45:04,820
Keith Richards I might have been Keith

3663
02:45:12,040 --> 02:45:08,470
Richards and said you know how do you

3664
02:45:12,730 --> 02:45:12,050
explain the success of the Rolling

3665
02:45:14,920 --> 02:45:12,740
Stones

3666
02:45:16,900 --> 02:45:14,930
right and he's like dude that's the

3667
02:45:19,980 --> 02:45:16,910
dumbest question you could possibly ask

3668
02:45:24,730 --> 02:45:19,990
me how do I explain it we never broke up

3669
02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:24,740
that's how I explained it we never broke

3670
02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:27,050
up if we would have broken up there

3671
02:45:31,390 --> 02:45:28,610
would have been no Rolling Stones today

3672
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:31,400
we just never broke up so if you want to

3673
02:45:35,800 --> 02:45:32,930
be in a successful band

3674
02:45:38,380 --> 02:45:35,810
don't break the band up you keep the

3675
02:45:41,469 --> 02:45:38,390
band together and you keep doing your

3676
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:41,479
thing it's as simple as that and he's

3677
02:45:44,370 --> 02:45:42,170
stuck

3678
02:45:47,860 --> 02:45:44,380
think about that for a second ray right

3679
02:45:50,290 --> 02:45:47,870
with you with your four months you know

3680
02:45:52,210 --> 02:45:50,300
in the hospital and and and not you know

3681
02:45:54,850 --> 02:45:52,220
knocking on the door right that's

3682
02:45:57,490 --> 02:45:54,860
exactly what you did well you know ray

3683
02:45:59,410 --> 02:45:57,500
how did you write those two books yeah

3684
02:46:02,380 --> 02:45:59,420
well you know what I just did it I

3685
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:02,390
didn't give up and that's that that

3686
02:46:07,270 --> 02:46:05,600
metaphor goes along with anything how do

3687
02:46:08,950 --> 02:46:07,280
you explain the successive fade to black

3688
02:46:11,500 --> 02:46:08,960
Jimmy you know how do you expect you

3689
02:46:13,179 --> 02:46:11,510
know what I never gave up you know

3690
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:13,189
you've got a roll up the sleeves it's

3691
02:46:17,650 --> 02:46:15,610
hard work it's hard work whatever

3692
02:46:20,050 --> 02:46:17,660
whatever you're gonna go and be

3693
02:46:21,910 --> 02:46:20,060
successful at building model planes or

3694
02:46:24,460 --> 02:46:21,920
being in a band or writing books

3695
02:46:26,890 --> 02:46:24,470
whatever it is whatever your bliss and

3696
02:46:29,560 --> 02:46:26,900
your passion is you go out and you get

3697
02:46:31,150 --> 02:46:29,570
it done nobody's gonna do it for you and

3698
02:46:34,660 --> 02:46:31,160
that's what I want to thank you so much

3699
02:46:35,890 --> 02:46:34,670
for ray just I cannot wait to get you

3700
02:46:38,950 --> 02:46:35,900
back on the show I know you're watching

3701
02:46:41,380 --> 02:46:38,960
Twitter but everybody is just saying

3702
02:46:43,240 --> 02:46:41,390
that marvelous show tonight let's do

3703
02:46:45,010 --> 02:46:43,250
this again and I want to thank you so

3704
02:46:47,530 --> 02:46:45,020
much for being part of our family and

3705
02:46:49,690 --> 02:46:47,540
everything that you have done so thank

3706
02:46:50,110 --> 02:46:49,700
you so much for a great great great show

3707
02:46:52,360 --> 02:46:50,120
tonight

3708
02:46:53,800 --> 02:46:52,370
Thank You Jimmy it's been an honor to be

3709
02:46:54,910 --> 02:46:53,810
on and I would love to come on again

3710
02:46:57,490 --> 02:46:54,920
because there's lots more to talk about

3711
02:46:59,320 --> 02:46:57,500
there is man just the tip of the iceberg

3712
02:47:00,910 --> 02:46:59,330
but you know what all good things come

3713
02:47:03,910 --> 02:47:00,920
to an end including this show tonight

3714
02:47:06,580 --> 02:47:03,920
thank thank you so much ray be safe out

3715
02:47:09,340 --> 02:47:06,590
there and go and hang out in Twitter all

3716
02:47:11,560 --> 02:47:09,350
right thank you so much thank you Ray

3717
02:47:15,730 --> 02:47:11,570
Davis everybody great conversation

3718
02:47:19,870 --> 02:47:15,740
tonight and before I depart I wanted to

3719
02:47:21,460 --> 02:47:19,880
touch upon a couple of things without

3720
02:47:24,370 --> 02:47:21,470
going back and revisiting the show

3721
02:47:26,890 --> 02:47:24,380
totally I brought up a point earlier and

3722
02:47:30,070 --> 02:47:26,900
and I really mean this and I think that

3723
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:30,080
as more and more days and shows pass

3724
02:47:35,410 --> 02:47:32,960
with fade to black there's one thing

3725
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:35,420
that I'm going to continue to drive home

3726
02:47:41,440 --> 02:47:37,610
with all of the researchers out there

3727
02:47:45,670 --> 02:47:41,450
there's a lot of bright people is the

3728
02:47:50,350 --> 02:47:45,680
the math the timelines and the linear

3729
02:47:54,700 --> 02:47:50,360
sense of dating and calendars cannot be

3730
02:47:55,810 --> 02:47:54,710
believed we in the modern sense and I am

3731
02:47:58,841 --> 02:47:55,820
talking what I say

3732
02:48:04,270 --> 02:47:58,851
the modern time I am talking about from

3733
02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:04,280
like 1500 AD on it's pretty accurate

3734
02:48:11,501 --> 02:48:07,610
okay every single day can be accounted

3735
02:48:14,410 --> 02:48:11,511
for every 24-hour cycle can be accounted

3736
02:48:16,990 --> 02:48:14,420
for you get down to a thousand ad and

3737
02:48:20,740 --> 02:48:17,000
and prior nine hundred it's gets

3738
02:48:21,910 --> 02:48:20,750
sketchier and sketchier and sketchier to

3739
02:48:24,881 --> 02:48:21,920
the point where I think that we are

3740
02:48:27,791 --> 02:48:24,891
missing a lot of time out there and what

3741
02:48:30,791 --> 02:48:27,801
is a 24-hour cycle could be a one-week

3742
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:30,801
you know and and things get sketchy and

3743
02:48:39,780 --> 02:48:37,040
dating we get to 0:33 ad zero and we

3744
02:48:44,470 --> 02:48:39,790
start to get to be see things are

3745
02:48:47,740 --> 02:48:44,480
sketchy nobody knows and I don't want to

3746
02:48:50,770 --> 02:48:47,750
hear it they don't know and when we

3747
02:48:55,560 --> 02:48:50,780
start jumping back and again we can sort

3748
02:48:58,720 --> 02:48:55,570
of stay in that in in in relative time

3749
02:49:01,870 --> 02:48:58,730
by combining and cross-referencing a few

3750
02:49:04,930 --> 02:49:01,880
calendars around the world and we can

3751
02:49:07,660 --> 02:49:04,940
kind of stay accurate but to be honest

3752
02:49:09,640 --> 02:49:07,670
nobody knows anything not how long

3753
02:49:12,881 --> 02:49:09,650
somebody stayed alive how long these

3754
02:49:15,910 --> 02:49:12,891
events were we do not and when we get to

3755
02:49:20,350 --> 02:49:15,920
500 BC and we start going backwards from

3756
02:49:22,270 --> 02:49:20,360
there peer guesswork then there is no

3757
02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:22,280
scholar there is nobody on this planet

3758
02:49:28,930 --> 02:49:25,610
nobody anywhere that can tell me that's

3759
02:49:32,440 --> 02:49:28,940
how it is because they weren't there

3760
02:49:36,190 --> 02:49:32,450
they don't have anything anything to

3761
02:49:39,881 --> 02:49:36,200
base anything on all of ancient history

3762
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:39,891
is is based on and quoted on from a from

3763
02:49:46,600 --> 02:49:44,000
a few guys around the planet that's it

3764
02:49:49,930 --> 02:49:46,610
and and that has been taken as gospel

3765
02:49:53,171 --> 02:49:49,940
and those are merely reference points

3766
02:49:55,690 --> 02:49:53,181
because all of the historians and

3767
02:49:57,730 --> 02:49:55,700
Josephus and they thank goodness that

3768
02:50:00,490 --> 02:49:57,740
they took the time to write things down

3769
02:50:03,251 --> 02:50:00,500
but we're talking about writing down

3770
02:50:06,220 --> 02:50:03,261
oral histories that's it

3771
02:50:09,341 --> 02:50:06,230
and going to when we look at the

3772
02:50:12,940 --> 02:50:09,351
Sumerian texts and we go back and there

3773
02:50:14,650 --> 02:50:12,950
our it has been written so many times

3774
02:50:17,610 --> 02:50:14,660
over and over and over again

3775
02:50:20,020 --> 02:50:17,620
Sumerians invented writing right and

3776
02:50:22,120 --> 02:50:20,030
3000 BC everything happened

3777
02:50:25,211 --> 02:50:22,130
let me tell let me let me make something

3778
02:50:27,610 --> 02:50:25,221
very clear here and go ahead send me the

3779
02:50:30,131 --> 02:50:27,620
email quote go ahead and post on

3780
02:50:32,350 --> 02:50:30,141
whatever and and get inflamed let me

3781
02:50:34,720 --> 02:50:32,360
tell you something there are when we

3782
02:50:37,600 --> 02:50:34,730
look at the labels and the labeling that

3783
02:50:40,030 --> 02:50:37,610
has been found in ancient Egypt that

3784
02:50:43,930 --> 02:50:40,040
writing the Sumerian text wasn't based

3785
02:50:49,211 --> 02:50:43,940
on letters and vocalization and sounds

3786
02:50:52,120 --> 02:50:49,221
it was not it was not the the labeling

3787
02:50:55,740 --> 02:50:52,130
that was done in ancient Egypt going

3788
02:50:59,820 --> 02:50:55,750
back to 3100 BC allegedly and earlier is

3789
02:51:04,450 --> 02:50:59,830
clearly predating the Sumerian text and

3790
02:51:07,690 --> 02:51:04,460
those that writing with the Egyptians at

3791
02:51:09,730 --> 02:51:07,700
3100 BC and before and this was also

3792
02:51:11,470 --> 02:51:09,740
carbon dated and some other things that

3793
02:51:12,970 --> 02:51:11,480
have dated this process that's where it

3794
02:51:19,450 --> 02:51:12,980
comes from doesn't come from a calendar

3795
02:51:21,190 --> 02:51:19,460
is his vocalization sounds so wait a

3796
02:51:23,051 --> 02:51:21,200
minute here now we have to pump the

3797
02:51:26,591 --> 02:51:23,061
brakes on this truck once again what are

3798
02:51:31,480 --> 02:51:26,601
we actually talking about I cannot I

3799
02:51:33,940 --> 02:51:31,490
cannot with with faith say that the the

3800
02:51:36,761 --> 02:51:33,950
the the Pharaohs list and the dynastic

3801
02:51:38,980 --> 02:51:36,771
list of which there are 70 and whatever

3802
02:51:41,261 --> 02:51:38,990
anybody or a 30 and everybody wants to

3803
02:51:45,730 --> 02:51:41,271
talk about what that timeline is and

3804
02:51:47,291 --> 02:51:45,740
it's 2,000 years from from a 1000 BC and

3805
02:51:50,140 --> 02:51:47,301
going backwards and that's how they put

3806
02:51:53,381 --> 02:51:50,150
this thing they don't know they don't

3807
02:51:56,051 --> 02:51:53,391
know there is no dating for each

3808
02:51:58,870 --> 02:51:56,061
dynastic period it does not and there is

3809
02:52:01,450 --> 02:51:58,880
nobody nobody that has put all of this

3810
02:52:03,131 --> 02:52:01,460
together and is accurate based on

3811
02:52:05,711 --> 02:52:03,141
something that they can faithfully say

3812
02:52:09,551 --> 02:52:05,721
that the dating is what it is they do

3813
02:52:12,520 --> 02:52:09,561
and to put this into context so you can

3814
02:52:16,930 --> 02:52:12,530
understand clearly what I am saying here

3815
02:52:22,001 --> 02:52:16,940
there was nobody nobody no Pharaoh no

3816
02:52:23,019 --> 02:52:22,011
Khufu no Joffrey nobody nobody in the

3817
02:52:25,420 --> 02:52:23,029
4th 4th 5th

3818
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:25,430
six seventh eighth dynasty that was

3819
02:52:35,829 --> 02:52:31,850
writing stuff down that said 2,000 BC it

3820
02:52:37,960 --> 02:52:35,839
didn't exist so their year their talent

3821
02:52:42,729 --> 02:52:37,970
there they there their cow their years

3822
02:52:46,179 --> 02:52:42,739
were based on names names they named the

3823
02:52:47,949 --> 02:52:46,189
year right they year that maybe the a

3824
02:52:51,449 --> 02:52:47,959
war happened maybe there was a family

3825
02:52:54,130 --> 02:52:51,459
there was a great abundance of wheat

3826
02:52:57,159 --> 02:52:54,140
whatever that made that year special

3827
02:53:00,039 --> 02:52:57,169
they named the year that's it

3828
02:53:03,069 --> 02:53:00,049
there wasn't any chronological numbering

3829
02:53:05,349 --> 02:53:03,079
of anything so there it's impossible to

3830
02:53:08,319 --> 02:53:05,359
date this that or to get a linear

3831
02:53:10,359 --> 02:53:08,329
calendar going back and I will drive

3832
02:53:12,279 --> 02:53:10,369
this home anybody that wants to argue

3833
02:53:15,279 --> 02:53:12,289
with me is gonna lose because there's

3834
02:53:20,500 --> 02:53:15,289
nothing to back it up my side of it is

3835
02:53:24,819 --> 02:53:20,510
very very easily based on what based on

3836
02:53:26,369 --> 02:53:24,829
what celestial event okay all right you

3837
02:53:29,260 --> 02:53:26,379
want to base it on a celestial event

3838
02:53:34,630 --> 02:53:29,270
then that one specific thing may be

3839
02:53:38,619 --> 02:53:34,640
nailed down one one we're talking about

3840
02:53:41,289 --> 02:53:38,629
3,000 4,000 5,000 years here it's a huge

3841
02:53:43,599 --> 02:53:41,299
span of time and it could go back up all

3842
02:53:47,050 --> 02:53:43,609
the way up into get gobekli tepe and

3843
02:53:49,599 --> 02:53:47,060
predate that too as well and I will

3844
02:53:50,229 --> 02:53:49,609
fight this forever it's my it's my new

3845
02:53:55,659 --> 02:53:50,239
mission

3846
02:53:58,359 --> 02:53:55,669
date anything there there there are no

3847
02:54:02,019 --> 02:53:58,369
calendars if you think that there was

3848
02:54:04,389 --> 02:54:02,029
some grand fixed calendar with every

3849
02:54:08,289 --> 02:54:04,399
somebody out there writing dates on it

3850
02:54:10,059 --> 02:54:08,299
some priests some subdued writing on the

3851
02:54:13,420 --> 02:54:10,069
gala okay this happened to say that and

3852
02:54:15,429 --> 02:54:13,430
and there is a big book of events that

3853
02:54:17,409 --> 02:54:15,439
where everything is blocked in and and

3854
02:54:21,659 --> 02:54:17,419
clocked and accounted for

3855
02:54:24,909 --> 02:54:21,669
you are wrong it doesn't exist

3856
02:54:27,340 --> 02:54:24,919
think about that now I'm gonna leave you

3857
02:54:29,349 --> 02:54:27,350
with this man I can't believe I did all

3858
02:54:30,899 --> 02:54:29,359
of this tonight and didn't get to one of

3859
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:30,909
the most important things Elon Musk

3860
02:54:35,319 --> 02:54:33,680
perhaps the world's most famous futurist

3861
02:54:36,550 --> 02:54:35,329
has made a career of pursuing

3862
02:54:38,729 --> 02:54:36,560
far-fetched projects

3863
02:54:39,909 --> 02:54:38,739
and we know what his latest is

3864
02:54:43,989 --> 02:54:39,919
neuro-link

3865
02:54:45,699 --> 02:54:43,999
that's right now it turns out that he

3866
02:54:48,250 --> 02:54:45,709
has now achieved his funding

3867
02:54:50,229 --> 02:54:48,260
yes 27 million in funding and according

3868
02:54:53,139 --> 02:54:50,239
to a filing with the US Securities and

3869
02:54:54,550 --> 02:54:53,149
Exchange Commission on Twitter he denied

3870
02:54:56,800 --> 02:54:54,560
that the company is seeking outside

3871
02:54:58,719 --> 02:54:56,810
investors in March The Wall Street

3872
02:55:01,649 --> 02:54:58,729
Journal reported that musk was funding

3873
02:55:04,449 --> 02:55:01,659
neural link out of his own pocket

3874
02:55:06,609 --> 02:55:04,459
reports indicate now that neural links

3875
02:55:09,069 --> 02:55:06,619
initial focus will be a medical and

3876
02:55:11,139 --> 02:55:09,079
therapeutic applications for interfaces

3877
02:55:13,500 --> 02:55:11,149
that will help people with brain and

3878
02:55:16,149 --> 02:55:13,510
spinal cord injuries regain movement and

3879
02:55:18,369 --> 02:55:16,159
functionality that's the same tack being

3880
02:55:20,789 --> 02:55:18,379
taken by kernel another mind machine

3881
02:55:24,399 --> 02:55:20,799
startup launched by Braintree founder

3882
02:55:26,199 --> 02:55:24,409
Brian Johnson Johnson has invested 100

3883
02:55:29,380 --> 02:55:26,209
million of his own money to develop

3884
02:55:31,779 --> 02:55:29,390
medical applications like brain chips to

3885
02:55:35,019 --> 02:55:31,789
cure epilepsy and Alzheimer's but his

3886
02:55:39,689 --> 02:55:35,029
ultimate goal like mus is augmented

3887
02:55:43,840 --> 02:55:39,699
cognition for all we are one step away

3888
02:55:45,760 --> 02:55:43,850
from connecting to our own computers and

3889
02:55:47,859 --> 02:55:45,770
you need to think about that

3890
02:55:50,500 --> 02:55:47,869
another fade to black episode is in the

3891
02:55:52,149 --> 02:55:50,510
can got to thank ray Davis that's what

3892
02:55:54,309 --> 02:55:52,159
I'm talking about fader not coming in

3893
02:55:57,010 --> 02:55:54,319
tonight bringing it strong he

3894
02:55:59,260 --> 02:55:57,020
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3895
02:56:00,969 --> 02:55:59,270
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3896
02:56:03,880 --> 02:56:00,979
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3897
02:56:04,630 --> 02:56:03,890
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3898
02:56:06,489 --> 02:56:04,640
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3899
02:56:09,819 --> 02:56:06,499
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3900
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02:56:21,010 --> 02:56:18,079
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3905
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:23,869
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3906
02:56:28,179 --> 02:56:26,479
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3907
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3911
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3912
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:39,319
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3913
02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:42,319
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3914
02:56:46,029 --> 02:56:43,850
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3915
02:56:47,810 --> 02:56:46,039
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3916
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:47,820
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3917
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:50,250
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02:56:55,150 --> 02:56:52,170
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3919
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